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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 12:03 PM
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No problem, though I will mention the PP on the ap2's is significantly weaker. 00-01 PP are the best. Not sure about 02-03 since I havent tried these years.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower,Jan 13 2010, 06:02 PM
Thanks, good advice. I do not plan on anything besides daily driving at the stock boost level at around 240 WTQ. I may shop around for an ACT HD PP with a fresh stock disc as a precaution but it's good to hear people are street driving the stock clutch at stock CTSC power levels ok.
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky,Jan 15 2010, 03:03 PM
No problem, though I will mention the PP on the ap2's is significantly weaker. 00-01 PP are the best. Not sure about 02-03 since I havent tried these years.
My car had the clutch TSB done so I'm not sure if they still kept the original 00 PP and just updated the disc or if they changed the whole assembly to the 02+ spec setup. I think an ACT upgrade depends on if I can find a good deal, if so I will probably go ahead but if not I can DD it and just drive nice. I haven't launched the car or done a hard 1-2 shift in probably a year since it was retired from autocross.

Another interesting point. I was looking online at some clutches and the ACT website says the HDSS setup can hold 383 ft/lbs with a 44% clamp load increase. Does that mean that the stock clutch can really handle around 265 ft/lbs? If so even with the blower I don't think the car makes anywhere near that much torque, even to the flywheel.

From reading some turbo setups here it seems like people making 400+ whp can still use the HDSS which makes me think it's a bit overkill for a basic CTSC kit (especially since the car is a DD and needs reasonable peddle pressure). Any suggestions for an alternative brand/model?
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower,Jan 15 2010, 02:33 PM
My car had the clutch TSB done so I'm not sure if they still kept the original 00 PP and just updated the disc or if they changed the whole assembly to the 02+ spec setup. I think an ACT upgrade depends on if I can find a good deal, if so I will probably go ahead but if not I can DD it and just drive nice. I haven't launched the car or done a hard 1-2 shift in probably a year since it was retired from autocross.

Another interesting point. I was looking online at some clutches and the ACT website says the HDSS setup can hold 383 ft/lbs with a 44% clamp load increase. Does that mean that the stock clutch can really handle around 265 ft/lbs? If so even with the blower I don't think the car makes anywhere near that much torque, even to the flywheel.

From reading some turbo setups here it seems like people making 400+ whp can still use the HDSS which makes me think it's a bit overkill for a basic CTSC kit (especially since the car is a DD and needs reasonable peddle pressure). Any suggestions for an alternative brand/model?
Honda only replaced the friction disc with that TSB, kept original PP

Yes in my experience I'd say 265lb is right in the ball park of what OEM will hold in ideal conditions, I’m not sure the ap2 PP can live up to that for long though. Under aggressive/moderate shifting I have had slippage at 230lb with ap2 PP but none with the stiffer 00-01 PP

A base 5.5psi A/C CT set up will produce an average 180lb with an f20 and about 195lb f22

It takes a higher 13-14psi average to get up in the 265lb range with this blower. Your stock clutch will be fine for a long time at stock to moderatly boosted levels if you drive spirited but reasonable.
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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 06:00 AM
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I'm in the same boat. 121K almost on my car. Stock clutch. Installing a Vortech kit within the next month so I will see how it goes. Clutch grabs very well now and has never slipped at all. Been NA but had 4.77's so a little more pull than normal.
Luckily the 2000 and 2001 have the strongest clutches so should hold for a little while at least I would. I will be on stock boost.
In the NY metro area a bunch of people had stock clutch with FI. I know someone that had like 320whp Greddy kit on an AP2 stock clutch. Had 250wtq at like 3k rpms also and held fine.
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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 06:36 AM
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Not all cars are created equal. My first S's stock clutch couldnt handle 5k launch on the street. Slipped everytime and it had less than 6k on it mileage wise. My second S seemed a bit better and could handle anything a could throw at it, but swapped it anyway before going FI.

Now besides all that, why would you even question not changing the clutch with 130k on it when youre adding 75 more hp? Yes it may hold up for a while or it may slip on your first redline, but why take a chance? Your spending a good amount of money on the blower anyway. Just do things right the first time.
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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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Dude, if you are going FI, pay for it now, or pay double for it later. that is the rule. Just get a clutch. If it worries you then there is a reason. Its because you will need a new clutch.
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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 10:45 AM
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My last car I bought used I was upgrading the turbo and building the engine and all.
Bought an ACT clutch and lightweight flywheel. When the shop put it on it already had an ACT clutch and lightweight flywheel lol. Sucked.
I bought my S2000 used with like 67K on it a couple years ago. Would blow if I buy a clutch and then it already has a nice upgraded on one it.
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 09:48 PM
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You should be just fine even with full throttle punches while cruising...be careful from the dig tho...try not to clutch drop or launch to often if you can avoid it.
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