heres my new plan
11-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Soul Coughing,Nov 4 2009, 03:19 PM
Passman, I seem to have a different opinion than most people on this forum, but i would keep what you've got. If you start searching for more peak power, you'll lose the amazing mid range torque that a nice equal length manifold and a gt30 gives. You will miss the transient response and instant spool. You may not be able to post crazy HP numbers on your sig, but you won't be waiting hours for the turbo to actually spool and have zero power off boost.
To the 3mm naysayers, the only thing worse than changing out a headgasket is spending $10+ a gallon on race gas that lets you run the same power you made on piss pump gas. To each their own, but i don't think i could go back to stock compression and make less power than i make now.
To the 3mm naysayers, the only thing worse than changing out a headgasket is spending $10+ a gallon on race gas that lets you run the same power you made on piss pump gas. To each their own, but i don't think i could go back to stock compression and make less power than i make now.
11-04-2009, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by spectacle,Nov 4 2009, 10:32 AM
When I need more power on 93 I'll build the bottom end appropriately.
11-04-2009, 02:33 PM
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this all depends on my financial situation after the winter, but i think i might just retune with the 2.5mm hg and save my money. who knows i might build the motor down the line, i had always planned on it when i first got my car, then with all the success of all the people making a lotta power with the 3mm i went that route and saved 3 gs. thanks for the replys guys, im astounded this didnt turn into a hg debate, well i guess it did kinda
11-04-2009, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spectacle,Nov 4 2009, 07:32 AM
But how often do you drive around on high boost to warrant the lower compression? I can guarantee that 75% of the guys on this forum aren't running their 3mm HG cars on high boost all the time. Me personally, I'll only run race gas for glory pulls on the dyno and at the track. 400+ on the street is more than enough for me. I don't street race so that's a null point for me.
When I need more power on 93 I'll build the bottom end appropriately.
When I need more power on 93 I'll build the bottom end appropriately.
11-04-2009, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,Nov 4 2009, 05:57 PM
2000 for one engine build vs 300 dollars for the same effect....
The aftermarket headgasket is a ticking time bomb. The ratio of people who have blown them vs those that have run them successfully without blowing them is very very low. I don't want to have to worry about 'when' its going to blow. I keep my stock compression and my power out of boost without sacrificing ANYTHING with the stock headgasket. Can I make more power? Sure. Mase asked me to my face "is that enough for you?" after we got to 420whp. It could have made more but I didn't see the point. The law of diminishing returns comes into play at a certain point and I didn't feel like pushing the motor anymore on 93. For my purposes and tastes, 400whp on 93 with this turbo is enough for now. At this power level and the tune it has, I have no doubts that I can (and have) go out and beat the piss out of the car and it won't miss a beat.
When I want more power outside the limits of 93, I'm going to want A LOT more power, at least 600whp. Until then, I'll make do with 400 on pump and 500+ on race. Again, I don't street race and I'm not out to make a forum/dyno queen. I want exactly what I have - a stock motor that spools early and holds+builds the power to redline.
Now look, I'm not going to knock you guys that run the 3mm to achieve your goals...it is cheaper bar none. But you get what you pay for and eventually it will fail. I'm of the mind that says 'do it once, do it right'. When I want to make the power you guys make, I'll do it by building the motor. To each his own but I just feel like if more of the newbies that came into this forum and knew the risk/reasoning behind running the aftermarket headgasket they might feel slightly different about it. There is no question you can make more power with it, no one will dispute that. I look at the whole headgasket thing the same way I look at FMU's...sure they work but that's not the best way to run a FI motor.
Again, not wanting to start a debate just my opinion.
11-04-2009, 04:40 PM
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paying for a replacement gasket at least ~300 at most ~1000 (assuming you can't do it yourself and go to a real expensive place).
paying for a blown motor at least a few thousand at most a couple more thousand on top of that.
Sure they blow more often then OEM, sure you can make more power stock (at lower boost levels without race gas anyway), etc etc....however they are always cheaper in short term and, in 99.9% of the people (who will own the car a couple of years at most, lets be realistic here), long term as well.
paying for a blown motor at least a few thousand at most a couple more thousand on top of that.
Sure they blow more often then OEM, sure you can make more power stock (at lower boost levels without race gas anyway), etc etc....however they are always cheaper in short term and, in 99.9% of the people (who will own the car a couple of years at most, lets be realistic here), long term as well.
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