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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by s.hasan546
Originally Posted by leo520' timestamp='1439263741' post='23710696
i have a vortech on, n currently push 400 already.
n yes i intend to track it
why did you install your vortech kit than if a ton of owners have reported their solenoid bolts have broken as well?
vortech came out decades ago.
n i got my car on 07, so how long was that ago?
besides my vortech gave me trouble free for the past few years
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by leo520
Originally Posted by s.hasan546' timestamp='1439265490' post='23710707
[quote name='leo520' timestamp='1439263741' post='23710696']
i have a vortech on, n currently push 400 already.
n yes i intend to track it
why did you install your vortech kit than if a ton of owners have reported their solenoid bolts have broken as well?
vortech came out decades ago.
n i got my car on 07, so how long was that ago?
besides my vortech gave me trouble free for the past few years
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yeah but your logic is that X company has had failures b.c of Y. If plenty of people have reported the same issue with the kit you already have don't you think than maybe X kit will be fine as well?

also if you already have a vortech, why switch up kits? why not just upgrade you blower. Talk to sideways, he's the OG of the superchargers & Vortech.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Habitforming
Are your plastics underneath still in tact? Could debris have gotten into the belt? Seems awfully random. Glad to hear the rest of the hardware is ok though!
Habit, I looked under the hood and under the car tonight. The only plastics that I have are up front right where the OEM lip is and it doesn't extend very far back. When I look down at the engine with the hood open, I can see the ground from the radiator fans back to the engine. I'm not sure if plastics ever went back that far as this is how the car has always been since I've had it. When the shop inspected it, he said there was a nick on the crank pulley so it could be very possible that something came up from the ground and hit the belt. I also find it highly unlikely, but who knows.

Originally Posted by Memo6453
Originally Posted by The Machine' timestamp='1439243182' post='23710401
Just a little update. The car was inspected today and all of the pulleys were fine and intact. The supercharger was also spinning freely. CJ promptly responded to my email this morning and they are shipping out a new belt.
That's great news. CJ seems to be rather quick with his responses.
Yes sir, I think he has always been pretty quick with his responses to me as well as everyone else. It was other issues that we had, but we worked everything out with each other. He even had the belt sent to me 2 day air from CA to NJ so the belt will arrive tomorrow.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by s.hasan546
Originally Posted by RAIN H8R' timestamp='1439127340' post='23708920
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1439077171' post='23708567']
[quote name='06S2k07Si' timestamp='1439076940' post='23708563']
Originally Posted by Habitforming
Was the same torque wrench always used? Might it be inaccurate?
Respectfully... These guys know what they're doing... Yes...the tools they're using are very repeatable. I've worked with them quite often. ...again... Respectfully.

Thank you. Brian
No worries, I have thick skin anyway, but no offence taken. I'm not trying to imply rain isn't capable, but we all make mistakes sometimes, or unknowingly have faulty tools.

When one car has 5 failures, and most others have none, it makes sense to look at other variables than the kit itself.
I do appreciate your thoroughness with your questions. It needs to done when trying to solve a problem. As brian said, I'm not always very kind with my responces. I take car modifying very seriously, so I apologize if things are taken the wrong way.

I honestly am not sure if going softer or harder with the bolts will solve this particular issue. Ti bolts may have worked for vortec kits, but the vibrations are different as well as brackets. The main thing is a bracket that is very small for its intended purpose.

If time plays in my favor, I'd like to spend some time redesigning the bracket with my fabricator. So far time hasn't played well, so I fear with will stick with the safety wired bolts for now.
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If you make a new bracket you would have a bunch of people here interested!
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Oh yeah, well if we get one made we might consider it.


Originally Posted by The Machine
Originally Posted by RAIN H8R' timestamp='1439070485' post='23708463
Sorry to see this happen. How tight did you have the belt?
Per the installer, the belt was tightened to have about 45 degrees of deflection. From reading on here and I think Habit said this before in his thread, that's the amount of deflection that should be used.
OK. The tension setting is a joke from KW. We ran the bolt in by hand, then when it resisted the twist of our fingers we ran it in 2 or 3 full rotations to set tension. It doesn't need a lot because of the cogs.


Originally Posted by Sideways
Originally Posted by RAIN H8R' timestamp='1439075056' post='23708530
Ok. Can you give me a brief lesson on why titanium is a good alternative in this situation?

It was available and the original bolts were junk. It would be better to used hardened steel.

The Vortech bracket included the bolt aft of the v-tec solenoid that give a lot of stability.

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Anyone redesigning this piece might look at the support points of the Vortech bracket.
We plan to do a combination of the SOS kit and the KW kit to make a new bracket


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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by APoner
Originally Posted by braeden' timestamp='1439160168' post='23709281
If it's worth anything; I've had those same VTEC mounting bolts snap on me (well, one of them anyway) on an SOS Stage 2. I had to buy new bolts through the Honda Motorcycles department and they're fine now

The amount of torque I put on the bolt that snapped was minimal, I was very shocked to see that it had snapped. I learnt from my lesson and used a 8-24 Nm 1/4" torque wrench the next time around.
I had the same thing happen to me as well. I had removed the kit a few times and on the very last time i was involved in an front end accident with the kit and was removing from car to car. Upon reinstall I snapped the bolt. I was lucky enough to have them snap and twist near the head. I didnt have to drill and tap to remove and replace. I ordered the bolts though amazon prime and they were listed under honda marine. I pulled the part number right off the package that SOS sent them in originally.

I also want to add that i track my SOS kit regularly and never had this happen until i crashed. SOS mounting brackets have rubber isolaters that help dampen vibration. Does the KW have any dampening?
The KW kit has no dampening at all. Its directly bolted to the engine.

I'm glad to see KW is sending you a new belt.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 06:51 PM
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well i might be dumb for spent thousands of a kit n not installing it.
first i am busy, n lazy, also Billman refuse to install for me ,he claims not to install any kf kit untill they resolve the issue.
n i really can't find another trusted installer here.
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Old Aug 11, 2015 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by leo520
well i might be dumb for spent thousands of a kit n not installing it.
first i am busy, n lazy, also Billman refuse to install for me ,he claims not to install any kf kit untill they resolve the issue.
n i really can't find another trusted installer here.
Evan's tuning. I talked to them before I bought the kit and they had nothing negative to say.

And what issues are you talking about?

Vtec solenoid bolts? Get the Ti Bolts & safety wire.
Hub Bolt? No solution yet but KW will warranty any issue.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by s.hasan546
Originally Posted by leo520' timestamp='1439347918' post='23711856
well i might be dumb for spent thousands of a kit n not installing it.
first i am busy, n lazy, also Billman refuse to install for me ,he claims not to install any kf kit untill they resolve the issue.
n i really can't find another trusted installer here.
Evan's tuning. I talked to them before I bought the kit and they had nothing negative to say.

And what issues are you talking about?

Vtec solenoid bolts? Get the Ti Bolts & safety wire.
Hub Bolt? No solution yet but KW will warranty any issue.

Honestly guys, not here to bash or take sides, but I don't think it's anyone's place to call Leo or anyone else silly, useless, or paranoid just because his SC is sitting in the box. Am I reading this right? So you want him to install it just because his warranty is ticking away? Why? So he is forced to use the warranty and be in an even bigger mess, having to post his problems here, waiting on parts from KW while his car sits in the garage? If Billman won't install it, then there's definitely a reason and I wouldn't care if Jeff Evans installed it himself. Same would be true if Evans wouldn't install it but Billman agreed to. Billman has worked on my car and Evans has tuned it and I have lots of respect for both. Refusing to install it means he sees something that would make the customer come back with a problem.

I'm a busy guy, have limited free time to drive my car to the shop every time something happens, and pay the said shop for labor and fixes. I have limited knowledge about troubleshooting problems and limited patience in buying and installing bolts, clamps, and other parts that KW should have done R&D on and sent in the first place.

Obviously the KW kit makes great HP and TQ and is cheaper so theoretically everyone on here would want it including me. And if you don't mind and are proficient in keeping an eye on all the moving parts or fixing problems as they come up, then go right ahead. But the claimed savings on this kit diminishes the value if you have to take time off work and find a way to tow it to the shop if something comes up. I wouldn't install it either until I felt comfortable or heard about some updates from more members here, KW, or Billman himself.
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Machine
Originally Posted by Habitforming' timestamp='1439243429' post='23710405
Are your plastics underneath still in tact? Could debris have gotten into the belt? Seems awfully random. Glad to hear the rest of the hardware is ok though!
Habit, I looked under the hood and under the car tonight. The only plastics that I have are up front right where the OEM lip is and it doesn't extend very far back. When I look down at the engine with the hood open, I can see the ground from the radiator fans back to the engine. I'm not sure if plastics ever went back that far as this is how the car has always been since I've had it. When the shop inspected it, he said there was a nick on the crank pulley so it could be very possible that something came up from the ground and hit the belt. I also find it highly unlikely, but who knows.

Originally Posted by Memo6453
Originally Posted by The Machine' timestamp='1439243182' post='23710401
Just a little update. The car was inspected today and all of the pulleys were fine and intact. The supercharger was also spinning freely. CJ promptly responded to my email this morning and they are shipping out a new belt.
That's great news. CJ seems to be rather quick with his responses.
Yes sir, I think he has always been pretty quick with his responses to me as well as everyone else. It was other issues that we had, but we worked everything out with each other. He even had the belt sent to me 2 day air from CA to NJ so the belt will arrive tomorrow.
So, I was thinking about this after reading. You mentioned that the knick on the crank pulley, is it possible that this was from your hard stop where you blew the fuse? Remembering that the crank pulley is awfully close to the steering rack, I imagine that if the engine even pushed forward a hair it could rub into that pretty quickly. If that's the case, I assume that we'd all need to be careful with those hard stops or try to shave down the steering rack as described in some of the other photos to give some clearance.

Let me know what you think!
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Old Aug 12, 2015 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bmore-s2k
Originally Posted by The Machine' timestamp='1439339054' post='23711761
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1439243429' post='23710405']
Are your plastics underneath still in tact? Could debris have gotten into the belt? Seems awfully random. Glad to hear the rest of the hardware is ok though!
Habit, I looked under the hood and under the car tonight. The only plastics that I have are up front right where the OEM lip is and it doesn't extend very far back. When I look down at the engine with the hood open, I can see the ground from the radiator fans back to the engine. I'm not sure if plastics ever went back that far as this is how the car has always been since I've had it. When the shop inspected it, he said there was a nick on the crank pulley so it could be very possible that something came up from the ground and hit the belt. I also find it highly unlikely, but who knows.

Originally Posted by Memo6453
Originally Posted by The Machine' timestamp='1439243182' post='23710401
Just a little update. The car was inspected today and all of the pulleys were fine and intact. The supercharger was also spinning freely. CJ promptly responded to my email this morning and they are shipping out a new belt.
That's great news. CJ seems to be rather quick with his responses.
Yes sir, I think he has always been pretty quick with his responses to me as well as everyone else. It was other issues that we had, but we worked everything out with each other. He even had the belt sent to me 2 day air from CA to NJ so the belt will arrive tomorrow.
So, I was thinking about this after reading. You mentioned that the knick on the crank pulley, is it possible that this was from your hard stop where you blew the fuse? Remembering that the crank pulley is awfully close to the steering rack, I imagine that if the engine even pushed forward a hair it could rub into that pretty quickly. If that's the case, I assume that we'd all need to be careful with those hard stops or try to shave down the steering rack as described in some of the other photos to give some clearance.

Let me know what you think!

hi bro! i shave my steering rak and also take 2mm to the cranck pulley KW . i will take a picture today and upload here.
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