Miata Challenge sold out 20 spots a month before the event and had about 9 more on the waiting list that never made it. 12 of the entrants were first timers that have never done a track day. I've had HPDE promoters from around the country asking if they can copy the format and rule set. That is an unqualified success Rylan.

You're right though, assigning points is the only way to do it. We all know that tires are the single biggest modifier so the points added will be set accordingly. If someone wants to run 140 treadwear tires, their car is tuned well and they can drive, they'll have a shot at the street class win. That is how it should be so that's how we'll do it.

You're not going to convince me or Aaron that we should turn our backs on street tires.

One thing to keep in mind, in 04-06, most fast street tire users were on Azenis. That game has changed and easily more than half the S2K's I ever see at SV events are on the new breed of UHP and EHP "street" tires with treadwear from 140-200. I don't run the events you do so I don't see what you see. The rules we're making certainly have an eye to the past but are in direct response to what we see now every weekend.

If you think no one serious runs street tires at SV events you're out of touch.

 

I never said that you or your special man friend should turn your back on street tires. But to make stock class a street tire class is a dumb idea since it's proven it doesn't work.

Tubby (aaron) and I already had this discussion on the phone before he posted and he agreed then. Not that he can't and does change his mind.

You aren't listening. No one competitive runs a stock car on street tires.

 

There are quite a few with bone stock cars with r-comps that would love to run stock also

 

Save the teenager insults for someone else Rylan. I don't appreciate it or have any respect for anyone that thinks that's appropriate, funny or god forbid.. cute.

I listen fine, and I can see pretty good too. You need to come out to an SV event. There is a good sized group of S2K guys that have the unspoken agreement to run street tires in their friendly competition. That group is growing, not shrinking. Those are Aaron's current customers.

Anyway, I'll stop debating this with you as you have already made up your mind are are getting testy since you can't convince me.

 

I would have to agree with Jaku/Emilio's assessment of recent S2000 trackday attendance. There are many guys who run 140TW+, so dedicating 1-2 classes for street tires seems to make sense.

I also agree that tires are the single biggest modifier, therefore: 1) The points added for r-comps should be set accordingly; or 2) R-comps should run in a separate class altogether (Redline Time Attack rules).

 

I think a point rewarding system is fair. Award points for given mods, and assign ranges of points to determine classes.

Ex; 1-50 = stock class. 50-100 = street prepared, etc etc.

Im just confused reading through this thing trying to figure out whats going to happen, and quite frankly, it's making me not want to participate in this series whatsoever. The 24th is coming up and we should know where we need to be by then,after all the year has started already and we should get the ball rolling. Set the rules and post them, you have more than enough of an idea of what will work, no need to ask the opinion of people who probably won't have any final say regardless on the forum. I'm gettin pretty tired of reading this mudslinging back and forth. Just get it done, please.

 

why don't we do a head count here? (update both lists if anyone wants to, http://www.trackhq.com/forums/showthread.p...9991#post19991)

under CR spec stock -

1. Clement Tien (street)
2. John Pun (street)
3. Justin Chao (street)
4. Charles Ng (street)

street modfied -

1. Maxrev (street)
2. Stinkytofu (street)
3. Kel (street)
4. Colatkitty (street)
5. Daryl SP Engineering (street)
6. Daryl Chan (street)
7. Dipstick (r comp)
8. blkblks2k (r comp)
9. rob.ok (r comp)
10. 808_s2k (street/r comp)
11. Bellwilliam (street)
12. Jaku (street)
13. Si Tang (street)
14. Aaron Lee (street/r comp)

FI -

1. 600rr_rocket (street)

Unlimited -

1.

 

I think a community-driven approach is better than that of the promotor simply dictating rules. We still have time until the first event so please be patient as we hash the details out.

I do agree with the mudslinging part...it needs to stop.

 

Don't get all thin skinned on me now. Regardless of the fact that I haven't been there much in the last 2-3 years doesn't mean I wasn't a regular for the first 4 and am quite aware of the s2ks in attendance. Not to mention the s2k challenge was far stronger back in the years I was a regular (not because of me mind you) than it has been in the years you've been around.

Go look at jaku's post. I see almost NO ONE running stock cars and street tires. Street tires are fine. But don't make a "stock" class that is required to run them because as history and Jaku point out, no one regularly runs stock cars on street tires.

Myself, like karim, have a stock car that I enjoy showing up in to beat up people in more prepared ones. And considering Karim is a past winner of the stock class he probably has far more experience in the class than either of us.

Since you don't get it, let me state it again. Stock should NOT be limited to street tires. You can have a street tire/modified class that looks great since there are people who want to run it. But not 1 of those cars would be considered stock.

I suggest again using points. And probably should be negative points for street tires below a certain treadwear.

But making a stock class that no one fits into is just plain stupid.

 

i think we should just go off of the redline time attack rules! seems more straight forward!
what do you guys think?

btw the 24th is coming up fast