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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wrecked
no #8 in this picture

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...SHOCK+ABSORBER

That is the least of my worries right now. Don't seem to really have any problems with the front shocks yet. My main question/ concern is why does my RR spring perch have to be set like twice s high as the left side for it to have the same ride height and why did the shock rod keep spinning on the RR when I went to torque it to 18 ft lb
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They will spin. Just lightly zap it with an impact wrench.

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Billj747
Originally Posted by wrecked' timestamp='1315765142' post='20962390
no #8 in this picture

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...SHOCK+ABSORBER

That is the least of my worries right now. Don't seem to really have any problems with the front shocks yet. My main question/ concern is why does my RR spring perch have to be set like twice s high as the left side for it to have the same ride height and why did the shock rod keep spinning on the RR when I went to torque it to 18 ft lb
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They will spin. Just lightly zap it with an impact wrench.

B
ok it's good to know its ok if the shock rod spins. I just found it odd since 3 out of 4 of the shocks I was able to torque to 18 ft lb without the rod turning. I will take some pics of what I am talking about with the shock collars. I just don't understand what could be causing this.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:05 PM
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I just counted the threads and there are about 15 showing on the LR and 21 showing on the RR to get an even drop. One would think with the s2k's 50/50 and 25-25-25-25 wight distribution, all the coils should be the same for the same ride height but this isen't the case with my coilovers for some reason.. here ares some pics


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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 02:45 PM
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Why did you set it that way? Or was that the way a shop set them up after a corner-balance?
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 04:33 PM
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I installed them on Friday after work. After I installed them, I go to lower the lift and the car was too low to even get off the lift arms. So I decided to make it as low as I could and still be able to get off the lift. I had them set evenly but the right side was still too low to swing the lift arm out. So, I put the car back in the air and kept cranking the collar and lowering the lift back down until I was able to swing the lift arm out and this is how it ended up. I just don't understand why that side has to be set so much higher to get the ride height even.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wrecked
I installed them on Friday after work. After I installed them, I go to lower the lift and the car was too low to even get off the lift arms. So I decided to make it as low as I could and still be able to get off the lift. I had them set evenly but the right side was still too low to swing the lift arm out. So, I put the car back in the air and kept cranking the collar and lowering the lift back down until I was able to swing the lift arm out and this is how it ended up. I just don't understand why that side has to be set so much higher to get the ride height even.
So you adjusted your ride height based on the arms of a lift?

I would park your car on a flat ground (a metal service plate would be ideal but hard to find -and garage floors can easily vary 1/4" or more) but find the flattest piece of concrete possible and measure the ground to all 4 jack points and see if that corner is higher than the others. If it is, I would just set the coilovers the same height R-L if you aren't going to corner-balance the car. Odds are the lift isn't even.

The S2K is a pretty well built car with good cross weights so having the R & L the same should be roughly in the ballpark anyway.


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Old Nov 27, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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Do the KW V3's come preadjusted height wise from the factory?

I just installed mine and it gave me more rear quarter clearance, because of rubbing issues with my 255's now it rubs less on the road which I can deal with for now until I decide what tire or what I really want to do with the rear quarter.
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Old Nov 27, 2011 | 09:27 PM
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thanks for all the info clearing up the confusion....i just read all eleven pages after getting a set of used v3's with the 515 lb springs...thinking of putting some slightly stiffer swift springs on front and raising my car up a bit to the 3.75-4" range

if you have time Billy can you help clear a few thoughts up

does 1/16" front tow out help front grip during steady state cornering? i assume it helps initial turn in but wondering if it also helps overall front grip say during a sweeper

did you ever run 0 rear tow? i have and currently have probably 1/32 with a full tank.. i like the rear steer but wondering if more rear tow will give more overall grip once the car is loaded up in a corner....or will 0 tow help the car get around the corner faster overall? (i know this is a general question which may come down to driving style, course)

what tires were you running on your s2k when you had the v3's?

were you running an aftermarket front sway?

looking to find the fastest possible set up for time trials. hopefully the shock dampening will help me go from small to larger tracks.

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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Living in the redline
thanks for all the info clearing up the confusion....i just read all eleven pages after getting a set of used v3's with the 515 lb springs...thinking of putting some slightly stiffer swift springs on front and raising my car up a bit to the 3.75-4" range

if you have time Billy can you help clear a few thoughts up

does 1/16" front tow out help front grip during steady state cornering? i assume it helps initial turn in but wondering if it also helps overall front grip say during a sweeper

did you ever run 0 rear tow? i have and currently have probably 1/32 with a full tank.. i like the rear steer but wondering if more rear tow will give more overall grip once the car is loaded up in a corner....or will 0 tow help the car get around the corner faster overall? (i know this is a general question which may come down to driving style, course)

what tires were you running on your s2k when you had the v3's?

were you running an aftermarket front sway?

looking to find the fastest possible set up for time trials. hopefully the shock dampening will help me go from small to larger tracks.

jeff
Front toe-out should improve front grip in steady-state cornering but it's not significant. If your car understeers, look at tire temps, if those are in check, then look to bars and springs.

I havn't played with an S2K in a while and can't remember if the car bumps to toe-in (I think so) or toe-out -is the rear toe link behind the axle or infront? Ideal toe depends on bushing deflection, dynamic toe when cornering, spring rate, roll, and many other factors. 1/8" of toe in is a starting point but if you have the time I would try 0 and work your way to more toe-in and see. A slower track like SOW will have a different ideal toe than a faster track like WSIR for turn-in and braking stability vs. steady state vs. power down.

I've driven a lot of V3 equipped S2ks, off the top of my head they were AD07/08s and Star Specs. There are others too but that was a while ago..

I often like a stiffer front swaybar and keep the stock rear, or find the smallest stock rear swaybar for the S2K with KW's springs. That and or even going up to have a 100lb split with a higher front spring rate with a stiffer front bar on an s2K with a square tire package.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Billj747
That and or even going up to have a 100lb split with a higher front spring rate with a stiffer front bar on an s2K with a square tire package.

Hi Billy, curious to understand the setup logic on the 100lb delta front to rear in addition to already having a stiff front bar in place on non-stag.

Im currently on 11K all the way around with an Eibach front sway at full stiff with the CR rear sway on 17x9/255s all the way around on MY00. Using the same settings on the V3 that we went over with before when I picked up the springs from you for the KWs.

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