Prepping for BSP
Originally Posted by daverx7' timestamp='1401720877' post='23185874
With us having reliability issues with this particular car at last year's Lincoln Spring Nats and I have a few spare parts laying around from my 2nd AP1 STR car that didn't sell, I'll be starting with a budget build with the focus on reliability (more Honda/OEM parts) and bang for the buck mods. However, I think it will be a pretty good car to begin developing.
For some time, I know I will be playing the role of helping BSP make it a full class, so that has some value/contribution to the group, right? haha
For some time, I know I will be playing the role of helping BSP make it a full class, so that has some value/contribution to the group, right? haha
With the DBW BSP car, Dave is going back to a stock IM, so there shouldn't be any issues. If the tuner could reprogram the map for the electronic throttle, these issues could be eliminated, but as for now, it's locked and I don't know of anyone who can/has unlocked it. I have a spare alternator if the issue ever surfaces again. The remaining tasks to complete my retired/Dave's new BSP car is to install the ap1 drivetrain, then Dave will be in business! Give it a month or so before he joins the party, sooner if I wasn't juggling two jobs trying to make ends meet.
-Marc
Originally Posted by rrthorne8' timestamp='1401728257' post='23186192
[quote name='daverx7' timestamp='1401720877' post='23185874']
With us having reliability issues with this particular car at last year's Lincoln Spring Nats and I have a few spare parts laying around from my 2nd AP1 STR car that didn't sell, I'll be starting with a budget build with the focus on reliability (more Honda/OEM parts) and bang for the buck mods. However, I think it will be a pretty good car to begin developing.
For some time, I know I will be playing the role of helping BSP make it a full class, so that has some value/contribution to the group, right? haha
With us having reliability issues with this particular car at last year's Lincoln Spring Nats and I have a few spare parts laying around from my 2nd AP1 STR car that didn't sell, I'll be starting with a budget build with the focus on reliability (more Honda/OEM parts) and bang for the buck mods. However, I think it will be a pretty good car to begin developing.
For some time, I know I will be playing the role of helping BSP make it a full class, so that has some value/contribution to the group, right? haha
With the DBW BSP car, Dave is going back to a stock IM, so there shouldn't be any issues. If the tuner could reprogram the map for the electronic throttle, these issues could be eliminated, but as for now, it's locked and I don't know of anyone who can/has unlocked it. I have a spare alternator if the issue ever surfaces again. The remaining tasks to complete my retired/Dave's new BSP car is to install the ap1 drivetrain, then Dave will be in business! Give it a month or so before he joins the party, sooner if I wasn't juggling two jobs trying to make ends meet.
-Marc
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Sorry to hear that wasnt it... I could see the loss in voltage to that system and it seemed to react same as mine, must have just been a fluke! Hope it all works out, very frustrating car
Seems to feel good. I have the International grinding short shifter kit also, I didnt like the shorter throw so its sitting in my tool box, only thing i kept was the extension since it seemed to help me with more consistent shifts by slowing everything down and giving a little more time for syncros to do their thing. Could be all in my head though, seems i have been wrong a few times lately
We are betting going back with more Honda parts will address that quirky issue. When I get the car, I will be DD'ing it to and from work for a few days to see if I can shake any issues out before getting it on course.
-Dave
Makes sense, last PCA event I've been getting intermittent delayed throttle response at the high end. Almost felt like VTEC was cutting in and out which scared me cause I automatically assumed low oil pressure. I'll have to take a look at the voltage on my datalog from a couple runs. I glanced to see VTEC engagement points but didn't think about voltage.
Glad you guys are getting the issues ironed out. Honestly from a reliability stand point the only issues have been diff related and a stupid aftermarket clutch. We have broken a pinion gear, an osgiken and an axle. Everything else in the driveline is oem. Only aftermarket parts are engine/trans/diff mounts. All 75a hardness. Clutch is oem and have had no issues in the past year or so. All engine parts are stock except injectors, intake and tb. Control arms stock with offset ball joints and urethane bushings throughout. The rest is weight reduction and shocks/springs choice. All three of us are running similar splits with Robert highest at 1075/950 (last I spoke about this with him.) Steve 1000/900 just changed rears I believe. Ours are 1000/850 and we're dialing in the motons. Robert and ours have the same bars hollow gendron/miata and Steve changes his choice every couple of months. Ap1 tranny for Robert and us and Steve is still on his ap2. Our car is around 2600 with close to full tank. 2475 is doable with some more $$$$ and time. We have been running 285/315 others are running 295/315.
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I've got a few SP questions into the SEB/SPAC to help improve the ruleset:
Why is it that alternate materials for spoilers are allowed, but alternate materials for hard-tops, or other body parts are not?
2. A spoiler may be added to the rear of the car provided it complies with either of the following:
a) It is a production rear spoiler which is standard or optional equipment of a US model of the vehicle or an exact replica in
an alternate material.
I assume that the spoiler allowance was written to improve access to competition parts for either cost or availability purposes. If this is the case, I would encourage you to apply this logic more liberally to other areas of this prep-level to help improve the consitency of rule logic within the SP sub-category.
and
I am writing because I am concerned about the implied direction that the SP category may be taking, based on the clarification that was issued last year regarding soft-top removal requirements for car models listed on the same line in SP. I was surprised to see the SPACs opinion on this, as I thought that the rule book was very clear about the type of assemblies that must be complete UD/BD part replacements - in some ways, this single section is the foundation of SP. If the SPAC and SEB no longer see the liberal and equitable interpretation of UD/BD as stated in 15.1.c as being in the interest or spirit of the SP ruleset, and complete model conversions become required, SP competitors will likely become disinfranchised and alienated from the category. Several SP competitors have already moved onto other prep levels and categories because of this particular issue.
Could you please clarify the reasoning behind the SPAC seeing the need to issue an clarification/opinion for this particular instance that is contrary to 15.1.c as its written? Could you also please expand on this to confirm the SPAC's position on partial UB/BD outside of the complete assemblies explicitly required in 15.1.c?
Thank you,
Matthew Leach
Why is it that alternate materials for spoilers are allowed, but alternate materials for hard-tops, or other body parts are not?
2. A spoiler may be added to the rear of the car provided it complies with either of the following:
a) It is a production rear spoiler which is standard or optional equipment of a US model of the vehicle or an exact replica in
an alternate material.
I assume that the spoiler allowance was written to improve access to competition parts for either cost or availability purposes. If this is the case, I would encourage you to apply this logic more liberally to other areas of this prep-level to help improve the consitency of rule logic within the SP sub-category.
and
I am writing because I am concerned about the implied direction that the SP category may be taking, based on the clarification that was issued last year regarding soft-top removal requirements for car models listed on the same line in SP. I was surprised to see the SPACs opinion on this, as I thought that the rule book was very clear about the type of assemblies that must be complete UD/BD part replacements - in some ways, this single section is the foundation of SP. If the SPAC and SEB no longer see the liberal and equitable interpretation of UD/BD as stated in 15.1.c as being in the interest or spirit of the SP ruleset, and complete model conversions become required, SP competitors will likely become disinfranchised and alienated from the category. Several SP competitors have already moved onto other prep levels and categories because of this particular issue.
Could you please clarify the reasoning behind the SPAC seeing the need to issue an clarification/opinion for this particular instance that is contrary to 15.1.c as its written? Could you also please expand on this to confirm the SPAC's position on partial UB/BD outside of the complete assemblies explicitly required in 15.1.c?
Thank you,
Matthew Leach




