Hmm I guess additional provision need to be made to make sure the hardtop doesn't act as a wing or something.

You don't want to run with a hardtop. It's just that we can remove our soft tops in BSP trim but if it rains you're screwed unless you have an OEM top to keep you dry.

 

You probably needed to get more scientific with your reasoning. If they reply to you, they'll likely say please provide weights of tops with OEM hardware. If they see a large difference in weight, I bet they wont allow it. I can't see them ruling against aftermarket tops soley b/c of Aero but I'd add into the rule no scoop and or winglets can be present/added to the outside skin of the top. Something to that effect though.

Do they currently allow parts missing from an OEM top?
example: liner or seals missing or rear window replaced with lexan or?

The fact that Honda doesn't make the OEM top anymore should be reason enough to AT LEAST allow for an OEM replica to be used even if it is lighter.

 

The fact that they allow us to use for instance any material for replica add on parts (i.e. the current rules allow you run a CF replica CR wing) sets the precedence that material doesn't have to matter that much. Aftermarket tops are about 10-15lbs lighter but here's the kicker, in the end, that doesn't matter because no one is going to actively compete with a hardtop on regardless of weight. After all why would you put on a hardtop that adds 30-40lbs to your car up top when it adds no additional structural rigidity nor does it provide an aero advantage. Hardtops aren't weight reduction mods, they are weight addition mods that you only want to run if you absolutely have to (or are lazy to remove the top for local events).

So all we're really asking here is the provision to have an affordable roof when it rains. Aftermarket replica tops can be had for about $1000-$1500, OEM tops IF you can find one local is around $3K.

 

good points, but I don't often see SCCA making rules that completely make sense lol! At least it saves money and doesn't add money to competing.

Eventually my car will be BSP light car. Light means it wont be competitive b/c I'm not going to push the envolope with rim/tire fitments and I'm not that great of a driver. I'd like to get a replica Mugen top on my car eventually. I'm not a fan of the OEM top looks wise and if I'm spending $2G+, I need to like the way it looks.

 

About the replica add on parts weight does factor into it. I'm pretty sure you could use CR replica aero but it has to be within a pound or so of the OEM equivalent.

 

Yeah, I'm also not optimistic this will fly but I don't think the request is completely unreasonable. While my intention is to let me run my Mugen top if I choose, I think it would benefit people if they could run a cheap aftermarket OEM replica if the rules were made so that only a "real" replica (shape, etc) will be ok. With authentic OEM hardtops getting stolen a lot nowadays and new ones near impossible to get, it's only fair.

 

Nope, I looked through the rules and unlike the STR provision for the replica OEM spoilers and such, in BSP (or SP in general), it just says any material can be used and does not specify a weight.

 

^Ahhh, I bet that's what I've got it confused with.

And I think your request is a completely reasonable one given the fact that the car can be run without a top for events.

 

Thanks. If any of you reading this feel it is also reasonable. I'd really appreciate it if you shot an email to the SEB (http://www.sebscca.com/) giving your input. It can't hurt and the more people that voice out what I know is already on their mind then the more likely they will at least take a serious look at this.

 

Can you delete the cruise control module on a ap1 using the update back-date rule since the 06+ doesn't have it?

I'm trying to figure out the downfalls or penalities from starting with a ap1 chassis. If I can save money by not buying a 06 theft car and just having to buy a ap2 V1 2.2L engine that would save me some work and some money. MY ap1 was wrecked reciently and it looks as if they arn't going to total the car. As much as I want a CR for STR I also have a urge to go faster in the next couple years. I think BSP could be a great place for the car after a couple more seasons and should be able to be just as strong as the newer cars power wise with the swap.

If I go this route I'm curious what Ugre designs can get out of a 2.2L engine using the current rule set. I was told this past weekend the 2012 BSP champ S2000 is making 292whp!!! This came from a sourse that I would trust. That would be amazing!!!

urge-
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/973...ystems/http://