I think that paragraph is being deleted because it contradicts the most recent allowances. I don't see it as opening up anything new, but maybe I'm looking at it wrong?

 

"Hardware reprogramming" without an OBD2 requirement, only tailpipe standards which cannot be tested/proven; unless someone wants to ship vehicles to SwRI, or similar, and pay for real testing. Seems like a similar situation to the Megasquirt'd STS Miatae.

Although I could be missing something?

 

when will they post the offical rules and stop changing it? I have a hard time deciphering what they are talking about when they use wierd wording all the time. I wish they'd delete all the tuning rules and just put "engine tuning is allowed, run what ever the hell your heart desires" -the end.

Allow any and all engine tuning and be done with it. This stupid wording game irritates me. I'd love to say to my self "ok tuning is allowed, I'll order a plug and play haltech unit and be done with it" but no I sit around and think to myself "what the hell is allowed and what the hell isn't allowed." I so wish I could order a PNP and be done and not sit around waiting for a dream come true and someone like Evans makes a harness to shoe-horn a unit into the ecu that does no more or no less then a unit that I can plug right in.

At that level of tuning a piggybacked and a PNP are going to do the same exact thing. Why make me jump through 20 hoops to shoe-horn a ecu in when I could simply unplug the oem one and plug in the new one. No advantage at all besides I save $500-600 on not having to buy a harness.



Is someone going to walk around at every national event and plug in a obd2 reader to make sure everyones obd2 ports work? At every national event I've been to I've only seen a couple people even glance at my car let alone go though it. I'm not saying anyone should "cheat" and run a plug and play tuner that will do exactly the same shit but whos going to inforce this?


How many winies will I get thown at myself if I walk around nationals with a scan tool in my hand asking everyone to unlock there car and turn it in the start position as I plug my scan tool into the obd2 port? I'd laugh my ass off if some f@#ker did that to me. Then I'd make fun of him for the rest of the weekend for being a winie.

 

Word is it's not going well at all with one of the Haltech units and now he may try with one of the other, lower model, Haltech units.

 

Seriously am debating having my lawyer read the rules so he can explain wtf is going on. And I a published neurscientist so its not like i cant read technical writing.

 

That's very odd that they did that now.....it makes no sense. It's clear that they're taking it out so they can add the proposed rule, but they should do that at the same time the new rule goes in.

 

They're teasing us.

 

I'm with you man! It's crazy. Why can't they just say "engine tuning is allowed" and leave it at that? Why say "well you can do engine tuning but it must meet x,y and z at a 45 degree angle with the sun shining just bearly through the clouds on tuesday only." I don't understand. Allowing tuning is allowing tuning, why play word games and make us jump through hoops to make it legal? How nice would it be to just plug in a PnP unit and be done with it?


A PnP unit has zero benfits over flashpro so it's not like thier is an advantage to be had. Why not just allow all tuning? isn't that why this rule change even went into effect? to level the tuning playing field?

 

I just sent a letter to the SEB. This is stupid. The whole point of changing the tuning rules was to allow everyone in ST a equal ability to tune the cars. Why write some rules with restrictions that requires us to jump through hoops to tune cars in ST. You either allow tuning or don't allow tuning. I really don't care either way, just make it fair across the board. Is that to much to ask for? I asked for PnP units to be allowed in ST classes because it would allow more cars to have more tuning options. The way they have the rules right now some cars still arn't going to be able to be tuned. Which is what we are trying to fix.

I don't see why they don't just write "tuning is allowed as long as the stock harness isn't modified in anyway." This would allow flashpro, megasquirts, plug in play units, piggybacks, and any other tuning option as long as the OEM harness isn't modified. This would give every single car in ST a fair and even ability to tune. Isn't that what we want? The ability to tune every car in ST equally? If they can't do that then take away all tuning in ST all together. It's all or none. This some can but others can't crap isn't fair at all.

Please write letters supporting what I just stated.


All or None, It's the only fair way to go about it.

 

It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. Sure, when you just consider the S2000, it may be plain and simple. But...there are many other cars AND classes that are impacted by these rule changes. Have you thought about all of these applications? Have you considered how it will change the balance of each class? That's what the STAC is tasked with. They're volunteers, so maybe hold off on being so critical of their actions.