ap1 vs sti
Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 22 2009, 12:57 PM
btw, does anyone know how the gearing is in an 06 WRX, non-sti, the 5speed? I raced my friend (before gears) he had accessport and an intake, i had him on the jump, but he crawled up on me after each gear, but as soon as i hit 5th, he flew past me.. it was crazy, 5th gear on stock gearing AP1, im not sure what mph that is, i wanna say around 110?
Assuming stock Ap1 tire/rim size-
4th gear redline is 115mph
5th gear redline is 138mph
6th gear redline is 165mph
Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 21 2009, 11:12 PM
it sucks because you get threads like this with people telling you your stock(ish) s2k can beat up on an STI, so then you go around thinking that, and when you finally come up to one, your confident, and then get bent over backwards from a stock STI, then you sit there thinking somethings wrong with your car the rest of the way home.
I have spent a ton of time around STIs, so know both cars pretty well. From a dig with someone who knows how to launch an STI well, an S2k should just forget about it. But having tried to launch an STI at an autox I can say that until you really get how to build boost to launch you cannot take full advantage of how to launch one (unless of course you are lazy and have to use the two step
). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).
So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.
Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.
Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
Originally Posted by fusionchickenleg,Sep 21 2009, 09:00 PM
ya the Evo def. "dies down" relatively speaking after the shift into 5th gear. the aero is too crappy, and the gear is too long, and the HP isn't enough to propel the car quick enough at that kinda speed. same goes for the STi, its 5th and 6th gears are too long, even after the 07's gearing revision.
my 05 STi engine with turbo back and tune still had trouble up top. the midrange was great, but as with all STi's, the stock turbo just doesn't flow enough air up top. you could hit a peak of 300whp but the HP up top isn't as strong as the Evo's, but neither is the Evo's midrange as awesome as the STi's, when both cars at at the initial bolt-on point. pick your poison.
don't get me wrong, the Evo/STis can be amde to be batshit fast all the way up to 150mph or what have you, but compared to its acceleration under 100mph, with the crazy short gearings for the lower gears, it is much slower, unless they're making so much power (mebbe a motor revving to 9k with a huge turbo boostin' 35+psi) where longer gear ratios would be benefitial
with my bolt-on IX, my 05 bolt-on Sti, and now my X, i always start losing after 100mph against a car that's similar in acceleration under 100mph (from a roll) (tuned 335is, e92 m3, 997 carrera s, etc)
my 05 STi engine with turbo back and tune still had trouble up top. the midrange was great, but as with all STi's, the stock turbo just doesn't flow enough air up top. you could hit a peak of 300whp but the HP up top isn't as strong as the Evo's, but neither is the Evo's midrange as awesome as the STi's, when both cars at at the initial bolt-on point. pick your poison.
don't get me wrong, the Evo/STis can be amde to be batshit fast all the way up to 150mph or what have you, but compared to its acceleration under 100mph, with the crazy short gearings for the lower gears, it is much slower, unless they're making so much power (mebbe a motor revving to 9k with a huge turbo boostin' 35+psi) where longer gear ratios would be benefitial
with my bolt-on IX, my 05 bolt-on Sti, and now my X, i always start losing after 100mph against a car that's similar in acceleration under 100mph (from a roll) (tuned 335is, e92 m3, 997 carrera s, etc)
Originally Posted by bgoetz,Sep 22 2009, 04:49 PM
I have spent a ton of time around STIs, so know both cars pretty well. From a dig with someone who knows how to launch an STI well, an S2k should just forget about it. But having tried to launch an STI at an autox I can say that until you really get how to build boost to launch you cannot take full advantage of how to launch one (unless of course you are lazy and have to use the two step
). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).
So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.
Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.
Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 21 2009, 11:12 PM
it sucks because you get threads like this with people telling you your stock(ish) s2k can beat up on an STI, so then you go around thinking that, and when you finally come up to one, your confident, and then get bent over backwards from a stock STI, then you sit there thinking somethings wrong with your car the rest of the way home.
Anyone here that thinks a stock s2k can beat or even keep up with a stock STi must be smoking some good shit, or they are just a huge s2k homer. I've owned a supercharged s2k, stage II STi, and now another pretty much stock s2k.........under no circumstances will a well driven stock s2k, "keep up" with a well driven stock STi. You don't even need to launch an STi to destroy an s2k from a dig. People love to dog on the top end of the STi, but it's not as bad as must people think. A lot of misinformation from people that haven't actually driven the car, or are just going off stupid shit they read on the internet. Our stock STi hit 255whp peak power and only saw a slight 10whp drop off at redline, pretty linear horsepower i'd say. Still plenty enough power to easily pull on a stock s2k. Oh and my wife trapped 104mph in the stock STi.......I don't think i've seen many if any stock s2ks trapping over 100mph.
Having said all that I loved the s2k so much I bought another one, but i'm not delusional enough to believe I can run around killing STis and EVOs.
Having said all that I loved the s2k so much I bought another one, but i'm not delusional enough to believe I can run around killing STis and EVOs.
Frankley, I am not sure about a EVO, but a poorly launched STI will fall right on it's face, which is the level of poorly launched that I was refering would take for an S2k to have a chance from a dig.
Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
Originally Posted by bgoetz,Sep 23 2009, 02:37 AM
Frankley, I am not sure about a EVO, but a poorly launched STI will fall right on it's face, which is the level of poorly launched that I was refering would take for an S2k to have a chance from a dig.
Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
a s2000 (stock) will never keep up with an STI (stock). even in a perfect race. UNLESS the s2k driver is good and the sti driver launches crappy, misses 2nd,3rd, and 4th. then yea i might believe it. but again what are the chances of that happening?







