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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 22 2009, 12:57 PM
btw, does anyone know how the gearing is in an 06 WRX, non-sti, the 5speed? I raced my friend (before gears) he had accessport and an intake, i had him on the jump, but he crawled up on me after each gear, but as soon as i hit 5th, he flew past me.. it was crazy, 5th gear on stock gearing AP1, im not sure what mph that is, i wanna say around 110?
Depends on if your talking about what mph when you shift to 5th, or what mph at 5th gear redline?

Assuming stock Ap1 tire/rim size-

4th gear redline is 115mph

5th gear redline is 138mph

6th gear redline is 165mph
Old Sep 22, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 21 2009, 11:12 PM
it sucks because you get threads like this with people telling you your stock(ish) s2k can beat up on an STI, so then you go around thinking that, and when you finally come up to one, your confident, and then get bent over backwards from a stock STI, then you sit there thinking somethings wrong with your car the rest of the way home.
What's actually funny is when owners of both cars come here and tell you which is faster. Who are you suppose to believe? In this case owners of STi's both stated a S2000 can not keep up yet we have S2000 owners who have no experience owning a STi say they pull on them all day. I'd side with people who actually owned both IMO.
Old Sep 22, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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I have spent a ton of time around STIs, so know both cars pretty well. From a dig with someone who knows how to launch an STI well, an S2k should just forget about it. But having tried to launch an STI at an autox I can say that until you really get how to build boost to launch you cannot take full advantage of how to launch one (unless of course you are lazy and have to use the two step ). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).

So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.

Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fusionchickenleg,Sep 21 2009, 09:00 PM
ya the Evo def. "dies down" relatively speaking after the shift into 5th gear. the aero is too crappy, and the gear is too long, and the HP isn't enough to propel the car quick enough at that kinda speed. same goes for the STi, its 5th and 6th gears are too long, even after the 07's gearing revision.

my 05 STi engine with turbo back and tune still had trouble up top. the midrange was great, but as with all STi's, the stock turbo just doesn't flow enough air up top. you could hit a peak of 300whp but the HP up top isn't as strong as the Evo's, but neither is the Evo's midrange as awesome as the STi's, when both cars at at the initial bolt-on point. pick your poison.

don't get me wrong, the Evo/STis can be amde to be batshit fast all the way up to 150mph or what have you, but compared to its acceleration under 100mph, with the crazy short gearings for the lower gears, it is much slower, unless they're making so much power (mebbe a motor revving to 9k with a huge turbo boostin' 35+psi) where longer gear ratios would be benefitial

with my bolt-on IX, my 05 bolt-on Sti, and now my X, i always start losing after 100mph against a car that's similar in acceleration under 100mph (from a roll) (tuned 335is, e92 m3, 997 carrera s, etc)
Damn you keep up with tuned 335! you must be pushing some crazy HP because yesterday I was shocked to see that Dinan chips/ V chip upgrades on the 335 give them 120 Torque and 100 HP JUMP!!!!!!!!! it costs about 2 grfand, they were even saying BMW is trying to make their own chips/ tuning but yeah that was insane man. Matter of fact i couldnt believe it but surely I went to dragtimes and people were dynoing 400 WHP 380 Wheel torque withDinans and all it cost was 2 grand with the upgrade from 8 PSI to 16 PSI on Twin turbos! Yup that would definately do it. but damn how much power do you have? Did you mean like a modded 335 or like a CHIPPED 335 ( 400 WHP, 380 torque Dinan chips? of course with a couple more minor adds). I was never a fan of BMW thought it was expensive always even as a child but man i'm impressed!
Old Sep 22, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz,Sep 22 2009, 04:49 PM
I have spent a ton of time around STIs, so know both cars pretty well. From a dig with someone who knows how to launch an STI well, an S2k should just forget about it. But having tried to launch an STI at an autox I can say that until you really get how to build boost to launch you cannot take full advantage of how to launch one (unless of course you are lazy and have to use the two step ). Infact it took me until my 5th and final run to actually figure it out, lets just say since the car was making 300+whp/400trq, I took out a couple of cones in the 1st, LOL (no that is not a typo this thing was putting down 400trq on a mustang dyno).

So assuming that there are people out there who cannot launch their STIs well I, would say that if they come up against someone who knows how to lauch an S2k well (again another car that is not straight forward to launch), it could be a decent race. Stock vs stock from a roll, it could be pretty close, I would even almost give the S2k an advantage (this of course depends on the speeds). One thing with a roll though is I don't think a stock STI will build full boost until 3rd gear, so if you can go from a 1st gear roll or 2nd gear roll your chances are going to be better.

Like I think I stated earlier though once you start modding an STI (even just simple things) it is a whole new ball game.
Dude I don't mean to be rude or anything but did you seriously just say a s2000 has a chance against a STI from dig!? lol okay well check this out in my opinion the STI and Evo are in the same category, When I first got my EVO 8 I could'nt launch that well but trust me I RAPED literally every other car in my category from DIG. mean honestly if someone is to tell me that you would get an EVO or STI from DIG that guy better be pushing something like atleast 250 Wheel torque. STIs and EVOs are monsters from digs, i'm not that big of a fan of both cars due to their top end performance but I will not deny it THEY ARE MONSTERS from digs. For anyone to even dream about Getting a STI or EVO from dig be it a DE 350z or a s2000 I would honestly laugh at both of them. It's just NOT happening unless the STI/ EVO owner is a total NOOB that just does'nt know wtf he's doing. Plus I don't know what area you live in but most of the guys in my areas in the STIs are very decent drivers pulling impressive times at tracks, again i STATE im not a fan of that car by any means but I will Bow my head in respect WHERE THE RESPECT IS DUE.
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by liquid_helix136,Sep 21 2009, 11:12 PM
it sucks because you get threads like this with people telling you your stock(ish) s2k can beat up on an STI, so then you go around thinking that, and when you finally come up to one, your confident, and then get bent over backwards from a stock STI, then you sit there thinking somethings wrong with your car the rest of the way home.
[EDIT: No name calling] i said KEEP UP not BEAT.
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 02:04 AM
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Anyone here that thinks a stock s2k can beat or even keep up with a stock STi must be smoking some good shit, or they are just a huge s2k homer. I've owned a supercharged s2k, stage II STi, and now another pretty much stock s2k.........under no circumstances will a well driven stock s2k, "keep up" with a well driven stock STi. You don't even need to launch an STi to destroy an s2k from a dig. People love to dog on the top end of the STi, but it's not as bad as must people think. A lot of misinformation from people that haven't actually driven the car, or are just going off stupid shit they read on the internet. Our stock STi hit 255whp peak power and only saw a slight 10whp drop off at redline, pretty linear horsepower i'd say. Still plenty enough power to easily pull on a stock s2k. Oh and my wife trapped 104mph in the stock STi.......I don't think i've seen many if any stock s2ks trapping over 100mph.

Having said all that I loved the s2k so much I bought another one, but i'm not delusional enough to believe I can run around killing STis and EVOs.
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 02:37 AM
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Frankley, I am not sure about a EVO, but a poorly launched STI will fall right on it's face, which is the level of poorly launched that I was refering would take for an S2k to have a chance from a dig.

Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz,Sep 23 2009, 02:37 AM
Frankley, I am not sure about a EVO, but a poorly launched STI will fall right on it's face, which is the level of poorly launched that I was refering would take for an S2k to have a chance from a dig.

Cypher, from a roll I don't think it would be a bad race at all stock vs. stock.
LOL just like everyone said man s2000 vs STI/ EVO is pretty much delusional talk. The Honda s2000 would have been a track monster if it had 250 HP and even 210 torque but the fact that it lags 50-60 Torque is something in my opinion PURPOSELY propsed and committed by Honda why!? because its against the Ideology of Honda, Honda does not mess with stupid shyt like race cars. If they did they would have pulled thbe NSX out of the Fast and furious man this is like obvious stuff. you are exactly right the HONDA S2000 was the version of the fun/ sporty concept of HONDAS IDEOLOGY, it was not by any means and IS not by any means a track monster or something to go compete around with newer Zs, STIs and Evos, this is just some fact that most s2000 fans will have to accept
Old Sep 23, 2009 | 05:11 AM
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a s2000 (stock) will never keep up with an STI (stock). even in a perfect race. UNLESS the s2k driver is good and the sti driver launches crappy, misses 2nd,3rd, and 4th. then yea i might believe it. but again what are the chances of that happening?



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