[QUOTE]Originally posted by xpander4
[B]Those races are nowhere near a 1/4 mile.

 

Hehe, okay guys, I say we have definitely nazied this thread out........ITR's are great cars, they handle amazingly, they are pretty quick, and they can be made pretty darn fast for relatively cheap $$$(Brock has header, no ps, and intake). A ITR with no ps, intake, and open header is a good race with a BPU GTI. Matter of fact, it is a drivers race. Kraut, this is Blade from vortex. Yes, you did beat Brock on that run, but you also lost to him twice. Of course, Brock did say that once you guys were hooked, you started trickling back on him, but he is pretty good at getting 2.1's so he knows how to get out of the hole. So, it is still pretty much a drivers race with the GTI still being a little faster.......an important note is that Brocks car is a "freak" for lack of a better word. He lays down some amazing times for the mods he has, so I would not expect every Type R you run across to be the same way. I raced Brock when he had cat on the car and was running closed exhaust. Only other mods were a short ram intake and no ps. Supposedly his cat was starting to clog or something like that, but we went from a roll on and I started pulling at a nice pace. So, when his cat is on and not clogged, we are probably about dead even, but when he is open header, I am not in his league. I can hold him off untill 4th gear, upon which I heat soak and he keeps right on rocketing. It wouldn't matter even if I didn't heat soak, he would still pull pretty good on me. I drive a Passat with chip and exhaust, so I am not full BPU. I also weigh about 200lbs more than the GTI. Bottom line is, from the factory, the Type R owns in all categories. Both cars with simple mods, the GTI gets a edge in straight line speed, while the Type R still owns are road courses. GTI's need coilovers and maybe swaybars to match Type R's on a roadcourse. The GTI chassis is very good, it is just overshadowed with soft suspension, as is every VW

 

Damn, all this BPU talk makes me want a turbo. I have a 9k redline, so ha.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1.8t
[B]Kraut, this is Blade from vortex.

 

Ha, my picture gets posted everywhere. I was chip/turboback/H&R + bilstein sports/lower tie bar/air filter at the time. (190WHP, all my track events have been at this power level) Stock wheels and Stock H-Rated tires. Wow, that seemed like forever. Note the passing signal below.



I've only been passed by an S2K on a road course once, and the one time I have been, I passed him right back the next lap. I'm not saying that my car is inherently better or worse than anyone elses. The fact is, unless you're at the upper echelon of drivers, differences in car abilties really don't come into play. I'm sure an instructor could come on the course in a KIA and hand me my ass. No ego here. Just mentioning my personal experiences since my picture seems to be a topic of discussion.

But don't take my word for it, your own members and instructors from the last MSR events vouch:

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=80448

Type-R's, different story. I think they're better track cars than the S2K, or at least the drivers who drive them have higher ability levels than I do. Those things are a b1tch to keep up with. I have to make a conscious effort to push it a little bit further to really compete.

Anyone who wants to come and play, November 1st @ TWS. $295, or $195 if we get 25 or more! I know of at least 1 S2K that will be there, and so far most everyone that I know is signed up are in run groups above mine. I'll try to have an in car cam and post videos.

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=86048

 

HOW I WISH I STILL HAD MY INTEGRA TYPE R TURBO. I BEAT A 5.0 MUSATANG ON THE STREET THAT THE OWNER HAD A 12.6 ET TIMESLIP IN HIS HAND. I TAUGHT HIM AFTER HE LAUGHED AT MY SKINNY NITTO STREET SLICKS. ONLY 8LBS OF BOOST ON MY 11:1 COMPRESSION MOTOR. I LOVE RACE GAS.HEHE

 

I love how these S2k guys give no credibility to torque. Considering the fact that if don't race from a standstill (drag), you'll get carlengths put on you in first gear alone.

I'm not here to point out every negative accompanied by an S2k. I know there is a couple of guys from the Poughkeepsie N.Y area that frequent this board that can verify first hand what a chipped 1.8t can do. (*het-hemm* Mr. platinum grey s2k with a hardtop and some sort of an exhaust *cough*)....excuse me.

And as for Type-R's, last one I raced has a nice rice kit (older CL headlights accompanied by a nasty front bumper). 20mph roll to 80mph left him about 2 cars behind. 01 aww GTi with a Neuspeed ECU program (crappiest one to date).

And yes, it was a real ITR, unless this fool went through all the trouble to paint his car yellow, do a 5 lug conversion, and wear the stock 15" ITR wheels with a full body kit.

I believe the initail post of this thread was about drag racing and not Auto-X or road course racing, so don't bother bringing it up.


chris

 

ahahahaha, the initial point of this thread was ITR vs. S2000. So why are you talking about your 1.8T? Don't bother bringing it up buddy since it's not the initial point.

 

For Gods sake, Steve C; I am quoting the weight of the ITR as according to Acura and from what I've read of people weighing their cars. Also, please tell me more about your, "3K race scales"?

Personally, I like ITRs myself as I almost bought one. Also, ITRs DO NOT run 14.3 -14.4 on "average".. why do you people have to LIE. I have personally never seen an ITR g afaster than 14.4 (with mods). I know of two ITRs who have run a 14.5 and a 14.7 stock. Please do notmislead others, or troll. ITRs run mid-high 14s and are brilliant track cars.

Some fo you guys need to grow out of your racer-fantasy world and accept reality. There are other cars out there that are good, besides yours. The level of immaturity of some people is just unbelieveable.

I know that a "stock" (run what ya brung; But since I know I'll hear the usual "stock" whining) ITR or S2K in the hands of a decent driver will own my ass on a road course, when stock. With mods, it's a different matter. A $19,000 GTI 1.8T with a suspension kit ($500-800), new sways ($300-500) and LSD, chip and Turboback will OWN many cars on the strip or a track.... However, being a CAR enthusiast (i.e. not a Honda, or VW, etc) enthusiast, I still love ITRs and S2Ks (beaten two in street races, so far).

Also, to those who somehow seem to think that any race after 100mph will result in thr ITR/S2K killing everything else.... it won't. Please get back to reality.

Anyone who thinks they can kick GTI ass on any course, please sign up with rudy, it's not very expensive.

Cheers.

 

Riiight. So, according to your logic - my M coupe (which has gobs more torque) yet runs around the same 0-60 time as my S2000 should put many lengths on the S2000 from a stop, but ... and I must assume that magic is involved here because by the time we hit 60 the S2000 will catch up. I suggest you reasearch horespower, torque, and gearing before posting again. Seriously.

Again, you seem to get off on comparing modified cars versus stock. The fact is you have to modify the VW to equal the stock performance of the ITR. You have mod's and you beat a stock ITR, good for you YAY!!!

-Steve (who along with other members of this board watched a stock S2000 outrun a chipped 1.8 Passat not too long ago -- at 5280 feet of elevation, more than once)