even the interior is more worst than the original woop di doo that it helps shave off weight at least have nicer seats god damn. and yellow with blue??

 

Does anyone know if the CR has a different passenger side trunk liner since the spare tire is removed? If nothing else, I'd like to get the tire flat fix kit from the CR and the revised trunk liner to get a nice square trunk without the tire bulge... and of course lose the 25# from the spare delete.

Yes, i'm that bored

 

No it ain't not more worst, it's betterer.

 

The CR isn't intended for looks or for comfort --- and certainly not as a daily driver. It's intended to be the fastest and best-handling factory-produced S2000. Will it be? We'll just have to see. But I'd be suprised if it isn't.

Like Cobras and Vipers, it won't be a car for everybody. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That will just reduce the market competition for the rest of us.

 

With this in mind as stated (track toy) My complaint is the spec sheet for such a car and i'm sure many others would feel the same. If this is what it is, then it should exude much more performance features, this is what it offers and I am not impressed- weight/ same as fully equiped Ap1, but CR gets no radio or AC to come in at same weight. Power/ same as Ap2/ Suspension and steering ratio/ Same as original Ap1 00-01/ therefor the only benifit to this car stock from the showroom that the Ap1 doesn't have is Wider wheels and some gimicky new featers in the interier and exterier- Nice wings by the way, do they come with teryaki chicken to go with the rice? I'm disapointed to say the least! My bolt on Ap1 will out perform this car and mine looks far sexier! I didn't have to pay $38,000 to achive this either. So assuming my situation is about half of the s2000 owners out there if not more, who is this car aimed at if they are going to use it for what it was supposedly built for? what a disapointment since so many other cars that have been around just as long as the s2000 have gotton almost twice the power increases and a big step in improvement wile the s2000 got left behind and this CR is just a spit in the face

 

So let's look at some of the advantages the CR has over your 2001 AP1:

Stiffer chassis
2.2L engine with more torque and more horsepower
Higher performance ECU
Track tuned springs/shocks/swaybars
Shorter gear ratios for 1-2
Taller 6th gear
Smoother shifting carbon synchros
Reinforced differential housing
Stability control
Hardtop for better safety
Hardtop for better aerodynamics
Shift light
Revised oil bolts inside engine
More front downforce
More rear downforce
Lower profile 17" wheels/tires
Stickier R compound tires
Better breather valve

And, it's a new car with warranty, not 6 years old.

 

Thanks for your reply, some of these are valid towards the performance apect of my argument, but only if asuming you are comparing to a stock Ap1. Most of us who have owned our Ap1's for 6 years have exceded this performance list and at well under $38,000, along with the fact that we custom tailored our cars to be personaly fitting to the idividual. Therefor it is more special and unique, not some gimicky cooky cuter 'track car". In my opinion if Honda only change a couple things it would be a car worth trading in for. To keep it simple and to the point/weight - 400 pound drop or/and gain 50 hp and tq

 

If you bought your 2001 new you probably paid more than $30,000 to start with.

$30,000
$3,000 17" Volks with R compound tires
$2,500 hardtop with mounts
$1,000 functional wing
$400 functional front spoiler
$500 chassis stiffeners
$1,000 rear end gears (installed)
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$38,400

And you're still down on handling, with less power.

There is no way to get 400 pounds off an S2000 without either spending a ton of money or sacrificing chassis stiffness and safety features. People spend more than $20,000 in search of weight savings and still don't knock off 400 pounds (ASM carbon doors, hood, trunk, hard top, Ti exhaust, wheels etc.). Honda couldn't get anywhere close to that and still meet the crash regulations.

And dream on about an extra 50 HP and more torque. The F20/22 are already nearly maxxed out in terms of (reliable) performance from the factory. FI is most people's easy answer, but you're already talking about an extra $5,000 without even doing the things that Honda would need to do to make it meet emissions.

 

I bought mine in 04 with 20,000miles and extended 100,000warrenty for $25,000 so i'm doing just fine and thanks for validating my point that you aren't going to get 400 less pounds or 50 hp/tq. Thats why this car isn't worth the trouble. If you could then I would consider owning one. The meager upgrades and difforent features this CR provides deosn't seem to be extreme enough for a street legal track car that cost more then the original. I expect more form Honda with a car that fits this profile and 8 years of engineering time. I will say that I do sertanly appreciate the concept and effort Hond made, they just seemed to fall well short of what alot of us have in mind for a car such as this. I would pay $45,000-$50,000. If they actualy did something worthwile.

Ps you keep saying that it makes more power but its just the stock Ap2 motor, 5hp/tq hardly equates to more power. I made that up with a kn filter and tp.

 

The list of changes certainly didn't sound earth shattering. Just aero kit, stiffer shocks and springs, stickier tires, hard top, and small reduction in weight.

Hard to believe these relatively small changes could shave 2 to 3 seconds off a 60-ish second course, which is quite significant. But then, I guess it is what it is! Or Honda did stuff to the ECU and exhaust that they didn't state explicitly? Who knows. But whatever, at the end of the day, it is faster than a regular S2000.

I remember someone mentioned this earlier, this is a bit like Integra TypeR when that first came out. People would throw in coilovers and this and that to a GSR, and the GSR would still be slower than a stock ITR ... I wonder if the S2000 CR is anything like that