Did 8k kill the S2000
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Originally Posted by s2ka' timestamp='1322683912' post='21198593
One of the main reasons I bought an S2000 in 2003 was for the 9,000 rpm. I can't even count how many times I told people about 9k, or was asked about it. Then I sold it in 2010 to make room in the garage. Then I had S2000 withdrawals and bought an AP2 in 2011. Now I miss the 9,000 rpm redline. 8k just isn't the same. But the AP2 has a lot of good updates over AP1.
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
I make the same torque at 2500rpms as a f20c makes peak.
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Originally Posted by whiteflash' timestamp='1322696674' post='21199336
[quote name='s2ka' timestamp='1322683912' post='21198593']
One of the main reasons I bought an S2000 in 2003 was for the 9,000 rpm. I can't even count how many times I told people about 9k, or was asked about it. Then I sold it in 2010 to make room in the garage. Then I had S2000 withdrawals and bought an AP2 in 2011. Now I miss the 9,000 rpm redline. 8k just isn't the same. But the AP2 has a lot of good updates over AP1.
I'm confused.
One of the main reasons I bought an S2000 in 2003 was for the 9,000 rpm. I can't even count how many times I told people about 9k, or was asked about it. Then I sold it in 2010 to make room in the garage. Then I had S2000 withdrawals and bought an AP2 in 2011. Now I miss the 9,000 rpm redline. 8k just isn't the same. But the AP2 has a lot of good updates over AP1.
I'm confused.
I make the same torque at 2500rpms as a f20c makes peak.
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your ap2 isnt a tq monster. its a honda it will not have any tq unless you boost. ap2's only have what? 9 more ft pounds of tq... so dont go and say something so ignorent. s2000's owners like yourself make me
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The red line has nothing to do with the S2K sales. It was the economy. Many 2-seaters were purchased as 2nd or 3rd cars by middle aged buyers and they became something that most people could do without. It's only the younger owner that makes a big deal about the redline, and I would bet few of the current owners bought them new. An auto trans option would probably have improved sales a bit but I think Honda would have stopped production anyway. I don't think Boxter sales are setting the world on fire right now either.
If the redline reduction had any thing to do with low sales, why aren't motorcycles selling better? The adverage redline on bikes keep going up and sales go down. Why??
Thats what I'm thinking.
If the redline reduction had any thing to do with low sales, why aren't motorcycles selling better? The adverage redline on bikes keep going up and sales go down. Why??
Thats what I'm thinking.
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Originally Posted by 03 9g' timestamp='1322698731' post='21199428
[quote name='FluKy15' timestamp='1322694639' post='21199238']
[quote name='03 9g' timestamp='1322670502' post='21197796']
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
[quote name='03 9g' timestamp='1322670502' post='21197796']
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
...I wish this site was like the old days ...sad to see what its become ...really sad
also I asked the question as a question....not a fact 
did ...u understand what that means ..its different than ""it did ...never said that 
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I left in bold my purpose of quoting your original post, and why I continue to quote you. You didnt post it as a question, it was a statement. Things were not different in Europe, even though they did not drop the redline. Understand?
[/quote] I said imo ...not as fact ..its how I feel...and still do, get over it ..and move on
If I have a question I'd like to ask of fellow owners don't blame me if YOU don't agree ...I get it you don't feel the same way ..I'm ok with that . I'm not ok with all the bs name calling an putting ppl down cause they ask a question ...Last time I post ANYTHING here again ...gezzzz ..this site used to be sooo much better ...ahhh the good old day are gone forever ...
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Originally Posted by 03 9g' timestamp='1322670502' post='21197796
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
I'd like to say I love my car and also ppl that own it ...I NEVER MEANT TO SOUND ANYTHING BUT NICE ...ppl take things the wrong way and then think they r so right ...guess what ..thats not how a conversation happens ..thats how to start
....I'll pass and keep my thoughts to myself ...thx for 7 yrs of entertainment S2ki 
I really never meant any harm at all ..I love our cars AP1 or AP2 ...so plzz understand my words never meant to be hurtful to others , I'd never want to start a fight here so lets all just agree to disagrre and move on with the love of our cars ALL OF EM 
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Originally Posted by NFRAP2' timestamp='1322675372' post='21198082
[quote name='03 9g' timestamp='1322670502' post='21197796']
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
Put an Invidia on your S and red line it through a tunnel...9k sounds like nothing else and what puts this car in a league by itself.
I hear things like this all the time ...i never hear wow 8k ..my point is ..HONDA NEVER SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO OUR CARS ....it kills the history of our cars ..if they never lowered the rpm ..im just sayin things would have been different.the S always would have been known for this fact and this fact alone . When they softened the car ..they made a massive mistake ..no one was like o yeah is 8k cool ..my point stands ...as for ppl calling me names ...makes u look like one of the ppl who should not own an S ..its to good for you ..sell it , so I can be proud of fellow owners. Some of the NEW S owners just need to grow up
I'd like to say I love my car and also ppl that own it ...I NEVER MEANT TO SOUND ANYTHING BUT NICE ...ppl take things the wrong way and then think they r so right ...guess what ..thats not how a conversation happens ..thats how to start
....I'll pass and keep my thoughts to myself ...thx for 7 yrs of entertainment S2ki I really never meant any harm at all ..I love our cars AP1 or AP2 ...so plzz understand my words never meant to be hurtful to others , I'd never want to start a fight here so lets all just agree to disagrre and move on with the love of our cars ALL OF EM [/quote]
You misunderstood what I said. My point was that you say things AS IF they are a fact (like stating that you KNOW that the lower redline of the f22 hurt sales) when really that is only your opinion or theory. You have a habit of inserting AP1 fanboi comments in almost every thread that are in no way based on facts, then you get all upset and make empty promises about leaving the forum when people don't agree with you. If you want to express your opinions as if they are facts, don't get hurt when somebody has a rebuttal to your opinions. All s2ks are great cars and we all buy them for different reasons