Anyway...

Brad, let me know when your carbon brake kit is ready. If I don't black out while braking it's not good enough

 

I SECOND that....well said !!

 

wow... all this TALK. getting technical..... eyes glazing over....

to me, it's easy - i went driving with rick and others this past sunday. i saw the brakes in person. they look cool. very cool. i then drove behind rick for upwards of two hours. i watched them stop his car. they stopped him well. very well. i therefore concluded that if i had the money, i would probably look to do them as well. they looked great, performed properly. i don't need much else. i believe the recommendations as to racing vs. street use were clearly stated earlier. that being said, if people are getting THAT overly serious about this, i suggest you start an F1 racing team. we'll even give you your own forum to scream at each other. as for the GENERAL nature of this forum, i believe it's gone too far. as stated earlier, if they float your boat, buy 'em. if not, walk away.

 

AjayM

 

It's actually very simple physics:

If you apply the same pressure over a smaller area (therefore increasing the pressure/area, or PSI in common measurements) you increase the coefficient of friction.

This means better braking! Let's not argue with the laws of nature, Einsteins.

 

Correct, that is way too much reading!!! I also would be willing to subject my car to a before and after test!!! I am looking for a new braking system for my S2K. I feel this is the weakest part of my S2K- other than the driver that is- he he he. I will need to have definite proof that any system I buy will greatly increase the braking capability of my S2K before I spend that serious amount of money.

I do have a comment about there being no wave rotors on race cars-- I believe there is no ABS on race cars either, but I think we can agree that ABS is a great idea for the everyday driver!!

 

That's right. That's why this Einstein (AjayM) gets a

 

Hey Einstein, might want to think that over. Especially the part about the coefficient of friction.

Also, more PSI creates more heat with less rotor mass to dissipate the heat.

These are cosmetic and that's all they are. Don't use make up science to pretend that they aren't. I can't stand people trying to justify their cosmetic parts with pseudo science and unquantified testing. Downgrade your brakes to lower unsprung weight? Even better.

Nothing against the vendor, he's just selling a product that fits his needs as well as most of the potential buyers who want the "bling-bling" of a flower shaped rotor. But posts that say the are not for track use followed with completely qualitative posts saying they stop better seems to be contradictory. Brake fade can easily be an issue on the street as well as the track unless your aggressive street driving consists of cruising the boulevard picking up high school girls.

I think this comment sums it up:
"i saw the brakes in person. they look cool. very cool. i then drove behind rick for upwards of two hours. i watched them stop his car. they stopped him well. very well."

 

I v been reading this thread and biting my tongue trying not to respond...
I would however, like to make a few comments in all of this mess that i do feel to be relevent.

First off, being the only other supplier of a big brake kit designed specifically for the S2000, i feel i do know a little bit when it comes to this topic.

The whole debate about the reduced mass of the rotor and not being able to deal with the heat is a misunderstanding. Not that it isnt true, but most of the weight being dropped is not from the rotor itself, but from the aluminum hat and the caliper so it really doesnt apply. Thats for the original kit with the cast rotor. This new wave rotor, is a different case which i must say i do not know about because i personally have not and dont know anyone who has, used them. What i can say though, is when it comes to brakes, Brad knows a lot. Probably a lot more than most of us combined. So if he is pretty confident in the set up, i wouldnt doubt it. I have seen his kit in person (cast iron) and believe it to be one of the best available. Just out of my price range, which is what motivated me to go ahead and designed my own kit utilizing the same key goals and concepts.

BTW Brad... dont know if you had a chance to go to the OTC (Open Track Challenge), but about 30% of the cars were wearing Wilwoods, including the 2nd place 325 RWH Flyin Miata

 

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Hey Einstein, might want to think that over. Especially the part about the coefficient of friction.

Also, more PSI creates more heat with less rotor mass to dissipate the heat.

These are cosmetic and that's all they are. Don't use make up science to pretend that they aren't. I can't stand people trying to justify their cosmetic parts with pseudo science and unquantified testing.