Since when did being a guest matter? At least I can say he is a true enthusiast, which it is apparent you simply are not, not to mention he could spew info for days about our cars whereas all you can do is complain, maybe you can't drive and get run over at the track? Maybe you got used to that EVO driving for you and you got a real car that takes some skill and effort to drive fast.

It sounds to me you are disappointed in your so called 28.5K venture. All this German rice paddle shifting garbage talk is making me sick, sure Honda could dump millions into developing a paddle shifting transmission that can outshift Keiichi Tsuchiya but what does that leave to us true enthusiasts? Nothing. The brakes are fine, invest in some pads and fluid and it will do just fine, I know at putnam park we were jabbing them from 110(top down) at the 300 mark and not having a single problem when it was time to turn in. Once again you just sound disappointed so maybe you should go buy a Mitsushitty that will leave you sitting either on the side of the road on the trip back from the track or at the actual track itself, owners know to have AAA or a trailer handy. Or how about an STI that will disintigrate its transmission sooner or later. Not to mention all turbo cars puke oil after they start aging. 350Z's are pigs so have fun there. It truly sounds like you need to go get yourself a German car though, plenty of horsepower for all those straights at the track and a bunch of junk electronics to cost you an arm and a leg when the junk gets old. Wait I know, you need a lancer they have paddle shifters, seen that commercial? You could drive the onramps all day! This entire thread is stupid.

 

The CR is the death knell for the S.

We all grieve in our own ways.

Some deal with it logically.

Some cry it out.

Some put their head in the sand and pretend it did not happen.

At the end of the day, we all loved the S. We just deal with it differently, in our own way.

The CR did not kill the S, and I don't logically blame the CR, but emotionally, that is how I associate it.

The CR was a manifestation of Honda's disdain. A final salute (a middle finger actually). An ugly bit of substance better held in the closet, yet dressed up and sold as a bride.

Sell it as a stripped down, niche market "we are doing a narrow segment of fans a parting favor" type of thing. Sell it at a discount reflecting its underpinnings. Be true.

If the message was:
"Hey guys, we at Honda are killing the line, sales are dropping and we need to move numbers to meet our vendor contract minimums. We don't have much money on a dead budget, but our hearts are in it. So, we are gonna strip out a few models, drop some pounds (features), and throw a cool idea to some niche drivers. Since we are pulling out some costs (along with the weight) we are gonna sell those models for the same margin as the S. We move the minimums with some new sales, you help us, we help you."

Translating to a no-frills ride for the hardcore tracker at 5k under the cost of an S.

This I would respect. It still would not be the car for me, but it would be a cool gesture in keeping the spirit.

Instead, they paste the wing on and sell at a premium. Marketing overtakes the S.

I LOVE EDDIE BAUER!!!! sez the masses. But only if it has the Eddie signature on it, so folks know I got me an Eddie edition.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around it makes no noise. If I cannot showboat my wing, then nobody will know I gotz me a CR. No sig on the car, so let's mount a wing that sez the same thing.

Gimme that, and I will send you my coin.

That is beneath the legacy of the S. It cheapens the S line. It cheapens S owners.

They may as well have packaged it as the "S2000 Eddie Bauer Edition". At least then, the fog would not be quite as thick in the debate.

Alas, I think even Eddie would be embarrassed by the Wing what beats all other wings cause its BIGGER.

 

I don't see what you have against functional aeros on the S. Anyone with track time under their belt will tell you how much of a difference aeros create.

Rup, nothing against you...but why are you always so negative? Why not just let it be what it is, instead of having to find reasons to pick away at something that you haven't even bothered to test drive, let alone own...

 

My problem with this story by Honda is that while the CR was designed for its creator, he's Japanese, and lives in Japan, yet the CR isn't sold in Japan, only in America. Japan gets the Type-S, so am I to assume there's only one CR in Japan?

 

[QUOTE=UKXotics,Mar 18 2008, 09:51 PM] But here's the thing.. Lets give Honda the benefit of the doubt and assume that they truly wanted to turn out a track-optimized S2000.

 

I didn't even think there was one of them?

is there?

 

Maybe Shigeru saw the CR and asked for the Type-S instead...

 

not funny

 

 

It might have to do with the size of each market. Honda is projecting a monthly sales rate in the JDM of only 100 units per month. Isn't that equal to the total allotment of CRs in the US? Also, perhaps the differences between the CR and Type S are enough to not make it worthwhile. And finally, its only in the US that race classes like SCCA Solo II and Touring 3 exist.

Sales projection source:
http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2007/4071022-s2000.html