Harsh C&D CR Review
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Mar 15 2008, 08:51 AM
The numbers the S2K puts up are still very good. 1.0 on the skidpad
...I would make a mess out of my pants if the S2000 pulled 1.0 gs stoclk...[QUOTE]From the C&D article on the CR:
"Then again, the CR
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I own an AP1. I've owned an AP2. I've recently driven a CR (albeit one set up for SCCA A-Stock.)
Read me impressions of all three here:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=575458
Read me impressions of all three here:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=575458
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Originally Posted by AP1_S2k,Mar 15 2008, 12:44 AM
I really dont think so. Honda has the ability to make more power from it. I would hope after 8 years teh same motor has no more potential???
They very well could port the head out and raise compression a lil bit and get some more power, at least 10 more hp without destroying reliability. Or do something... I dunno but I would never buy a NEW s2k as I dont think they are worth it anyways so I guess I am different then most. The car used to be a lot of car for the money but has not really improved since 1999 and every other car out here has. I mean for the same price an STI or EVO can take an S2000 in almost every aspect and are all around tougher cars. The s2k has a very weak drivetrain and could use many upgrades, Honda either needs to drop the s2k line or up the ante. It is falling behind compared to most other cars
Maybe ivtec.....or something for goodness sake.
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Originally Posted by SoMe0nE2tAlK2,Mar 15 2008, 08:45 PM
I drove my friend's AP2 the toher day. And The steering ratio was very very noticable. His steering just wasnt as responsive as mine. Im sure it turns the same, but it just took more effort from the driver.
Also, it coulda been his horrendously offset wheels but his bump-steer was god awful on the freeway.
Also, it coulda been his horrendously offset wheels but his bump-steer was god awful on the freeway.
LOL, not that it matters. I was just trying to make the point that the changes to the CR are not merely cosmetic; Most of them are not even visable.
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As far as the F22C being "maxed out," that would be odd, considering that the smaller F20C can reliably make 340 HP (or 300 WHP) with minimal effort, and much more if one wants to spend the money. Honda knows how to make huge power with turbochargers, due to their years of experience in F1, back in the days when all F1 cars were turbocharged (and Honda was winning races).
Honda hasn't made any major changes to the car because they like it the way it is, and are still selling every S2000 they build. When they tire of it, or the market goes flat (or flatter than the rest of the new car market), the car will go out of production. Just like the NSX, Del Sol, S500, S600, S800, and even the Prelude and CRX (after a fashon
).
If you are waiting for a major redesign, or a big power upgrade from Honda, don't hold your breath. It will be fatal. If you want an S2000 that is more than the one's Honda builds, you're going to have to do it yourself.
Honda hasn't made any major changes to the car because they like it the way it is, and are still selling every S2000 they build. When they tire of it, or the market goes flat (or flatter than the rest of the new car market), the car will go out of production. Just like the NSX, Del Sol, S500, S600, S800, and even the Prelude and CRX (after a fashon
).If you are waiting for a major redesign, or a big power upgrade from Honda, don't hold your breath. It will be fatal.
If you want an S2000 that is more than the one's Honda builds, you're going to have to do it yourself.
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Originally Posted by chickdr,Mar 15 2008, 11:51 AM
For an S2K owner you are pretty harsh. Please tell me what else in the S2K's class is a better car?
Solstice/Sky?(close performancewise with the 2.0T but the convertible top is a joke)
MX-5?(not really in the same class)
Z4i?(and much more $$$)
350Z roadster(a lot more $$$)
See, there really isn't anything out there. The numbers the S2K puts up are still very good. 1.0 on the skidpad, 0-60 in 5.7s. Also, when you consider how big the discounts are on the S2K, it makes it an even better deal.
I think many on this board get sucked into the 350z's power increases but the 3.5 had a lot of room for improvement and the Z sells a lot better than the S2K so Nissan puts more $$ into it. Do you really think adding 10-20hp to the S2K would increase sales significantly? I sure don't.
237hp is a bit more than the 197hp in the Civic Si as well....
Solstice/Sky?(close performancewise with the 2.0T but the convertible top is a joke)
MX-5?(not really in the same class)
Z4i?(and much more $$$)
350Z roadster(a lot more $$$)
See, there really isn't anything out there. The numbers the S2K puts up are still very good. 1.0 on the skidpad, 0-60 in 5.7s. Also, when you consider how big the discounts are on the S2K, it makes it an even better deal.
I think many on this board get sucked into the 350z's power increases but the 3.5 had a lot of room for improvement and the Z sells a lot better than the S2K so Nissan puts more $$ into it. Do you really think adding 10-20hp to the S2K would increase sales significantly? I sure don't.
237hp is a bit more than the 197hp in the Civic Si as well....
And yes 40hp is a bit more then the K20 in an Si or what the RSX has but those motors also respond to NA mods a hell of a lot better. Th s2k has a great motot and I am not denying it but I am not going to worship a car that has barely seen any performance upgrades in almost 10 years the nrelese the CR which IMO is a fucking joke. I have no problem with Honda keeping the s2k the same but I mean seriously if the are going to realease a track ready they need to up the power at least a little bit and for god sake make the exhaust louder. The S2k is way too quiet
Harsh? I wouldnt say that. It is just that Honda has turned the s2k into joke with this new Club Racer shit. I mean they didnt change anything as far as the motor/drivetrain are concerned unless tehy changed something tha tI dunno about
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From: Dry Branch
Originally Posted by chickdr,Mar 15 2008, 09:57 PM
Fine .95g is FAR, FAR AWAY from 1.0g. However, this doesn't change the question in my first post in this thread. What other cars in the S2K's class can beat it(even though it has been on the market since 2000)? I thought so, it is pretty much in a league of its own...
As an aside, it is amazing how so many people jumped on a minute detail in my post rather than answering the question...
As an aside, it is amazing how so many people jumped on a minute detail in my post rather than answering the question...
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Originally Posted by SoMe0nE2tAlK2,Mar 15 2008, 05:45 PM
I drove my friend's AP2 the toher day. And The steering ratio was very very noticable. His steering just wasnt as responsive as mine. Im sure it turns the same, but it just took more effort from the driver.
Also, it coulda been his horrendously offset wheels but his bump-steer was god awful on the freeway.
Also, it coulda been his horrendously offset wheels but his bump-steer was god awful on the freeway.