how to make s2k into drag demon?
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From: Sheridan
Originally posted by revhi
So everyone here is satisfied with there cars getting blown off the line at at stop lights by turboed civics, bmws, and eclipses because no one can get a consistant 0 to 60.
That doesn't bother anybody?
So everyone here is satisfied with there cars getting blown off the line at at stop lights by turboed civics, bmws, and eclipses because no one can get a consistant 0 to 60.
That doesn't bother anybody?
By the way, no lecturing needed. The facts speak for themselves.
Two S2000s crash in Philly, 1 dead ......
"Northeast Philadelphia - December 18, 2002
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From: Orlando
revhi,
I apologize if I sounded harsh on you. But I've been here long enough to see many people buy this vehicle for all the wrong reasons. Ok, it's non of my business what you do with your money or car but this is a forum and I reserve my right to express my opinions.
Anyways, all I'm saying is at least start with a logical platform. Ask yourself what do you need for a light-to-light street race (aside from the legal issues about street racing that deeply divides this community for a moment). A car that pretty much got no "go" until you hit 6k rpm? Or a car that produces peak torque at the low rpm to get you going?
The very fact that you had to "launch" the car at the stop light should have told you, this car was not meant to be dragged! I'm sure you know a lot about the general characteristics of Honda cars (since you are a long time Honda fan). They are more well known for their preciseness, overall balance in performance (read: not brute power), and ingenuity in engineering, like say, a fine Rolex watch (they are NOT, for instance, 6000 rpm+ clutch drop as you've found out already).
Another characteristics about most "imports," especially true for Hondas is the fact that the engine performance is already maxed out of the factory (let alone F20C which produces 120 NA hp per liter already). So this rules out any NA tuning for a significant gains. What about the FI? SC seems to just raise the horsepower curve slope higher without fattening at the lowend (i.e. still not much gain at the low end) and you only get the full benefit at the high end (Not a good thing UNLESS you are willing to go over 100+ mph on public streets every time you engage yourself in street drag racing). TC seems to be more expensive and less reliable.
Of course, I'm assuming you will not run into ANY problems with fuel mapping, rear differential, possible intercooler, upgrading brakes, pissing contest with your vendor and all the little things that can go wrong. So by the time you have your "drag demon" totally bug-free, you would have spent a ridiculous (well, to me anyways) amount of $$$. And if not ridiculous, just as much as a downpayment for a, say, how about brand spanking new E46 M3 (ONLY 333hp outta factory)
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Hey, sorry about yet another "parental" guidance. It's your money/car. Do what you want with it. Just wanted give you some additional info you might have missed. Oh, BTW I'm 28. Getting there..but I still like to think I can "hang" with "young" folks.
I apologize if I sounded harsh on you. But I've been here long enough to see many people buy this vehicle for all the wrong reasons. Ok, it's non of my business what you do with your money or car but this is a forum and I reserve my right to express my opinions.
Anyways, all I'm saying is at least start with a logical platform. Ask yourself what do you need for a light-to-light street race (aside from the legal issues about street racing that deeply divides this community for a moment). A car that pretty much got no "go" until you hit 6k rpm? Or a car that produces peak torque at the low rpm to get you going?
The very fact that you had to "launch" the car at the stop light should have told you, this car was not meant to be dragged! I'm sure you know a lot about the general characteristics of Honda cars (since you are a long time Honda fan). They are more well known for their preciseness, overall balance in performance (read: not brute power), and ingenuity in engineering, like say, a fine Rolex watch (they are NOT, for instance, 6000 rpm+ clutch drop as you've found out already).
Another characteristics about most "imports," especially true for Hondas is the fact that the engine performance is already maxed out of the factory (let alone F20C which produces 120 NA hp per liter already). So this rules out any NA tuning for a significant gains. What about the FI? SC seems to just raise the horsepower curve slope higher without fattening at the lowend (i.e. still not much gain at the low end) and you only get the full benefit at the high end (Not a good thing UNLESS you are willing to go over 100+ mph on public streets every time you engage yourself in street drag racing). TC seems to be more expensive and less reliable.
Of course, I'm assuming you will not run into ANY problems with fuel mapping, rear differential, possible intercooler, upgrading brakes, pissing contest with your vendor and all the little things that can go wrong. So by the time you have your "drag demon" totally bug-free, you would have spent a ridiculous (well, to me anyways) amount of $$$. And if not ridiculous, just as much as a downpayment for a, say, how about brand spanking new E46 M3 (ONLY 333hp outta factory)
?Hey, sorry about yet another "parental" guidance. It's your money/car. Do what you want with it. Just wanted give you some additional info you might have missed. Oh, BTW I'm 28. Getting there..but I still like to think I can "hang" with "young" folks
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Just some food for thought...
There are a decent # of us LS1 owners in here who either traded or sold our beasts for an S2000 key fob. Visit LS1.com and ask how many traded their S2000's for the Chevy or Firebird. Not many, if any. Obviously by owning a 385hp modified Camaro SS (as did I), speed and grunt are something that has always appealed to me but unlike my S2000, the Camaro never encouraged me to drive 30 miles for a half gallon of milk. At this point in your life you may think it's important to be as quick as you can on the streets but in time you'll realize only coke addicts prefer straight lines. What's more fun...riding in a bullet train or driving a go-kart?
The bottom line is at my age (41), buying an S2000 is a RETURN to my youth (go-karting days) and not some "cruising down the boulevard in a two seater" move. The SS was fast but 99% of the time, only 50% of the power needed to be used. It's much more fun driving a slower car fast than it is driving a fast car slow.
There are a decent # of us LS1 owners in here who either traded or sold our beasts for an S2000 key fob. Visit LS1.com and ask how many traded their S2000's for the Chevy or Firebird. Not many, if any. Obviously by owning a 385hp modified Camaro SS (as did I), speed and grunt are something that has always appealed to me but unlike my S2000, the Camaro never encouraged me to drive 30 miles for a half gallon of milk. At this point in your life you may think it's important to be as quick as you can on the streets but in time you'll realize only coke addicts prefer straight lines. What's more fun...riding in a bullet train or driving a go-kart?
The bottom line is at my age (41), buying an S2000 is a RETURN to my youth (go-karting days) and not some "cruising down the boulevard in a two seater" move. The SS was fast but 99% of the time, only 50% of the power needed to be used. It's much more fun driving a slower car fast than it is driving a fast car slow.
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Lived in the south for 7 years. I split time between Floribama (Pensacola) and Miami. One of my favorite car quotes comes from my dad. My brother's first car, an '88 Monte Carlo SS, was his pride and joy and he thought it was all that. After challenging my dad to a drag race (One of dad's toys at the time was a crappy looking modified 6.6 Trans Am that had all the money in the engine...probably pushing 400hp). They raced and the TA left the Monte behind within two seconds. Dad did his 180, rolled back to my bro, rolled down the window and said, "that piece of shit couldn't pull a dead whore out of bed."
That pretty much made the day after hearing that one.
That pretty much made the day after hearing that one.
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From: Alpharetta, GA (ATL)
Look guys. I have always been flammed for complaining about the S2000's 0-60 time, but the point is this. Folks want a fast 0-60 car. If this dude wants to get his car to do 12 sec 1/4 miles, then just tell him what you know can help him and drop the whole thing.
And as far as buying a V8, maybe we don't want a V8. Maybe today's youth like the challenge of tuning a 4 beater instead. It's almost like V8's don't count in street racing becasue they're V8's.
And when I bought my S2000, I didn't do as much research as I should have, but I probably did more research than most people do before buying a car. And I did test drive the car twice before I drove it. But I was not testing it's 0-60 time and dropping the cluch at 6000 RPMS, and the olny time I really pushed the car was on the freeway. So I had a false sense of the power becasue of the fact that I was so close to VETC land on the freeway. It wasn't until I bought my car and starting doing everyday driving that I realized that the 0-60 time was not as great as I read in MT or R&T. I don't think that I have ever did a 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, but I am softer on my transmission. I didn't realize that I would have to destroy my cluch to get published 0-60 times. They should have given 0-60 times of people who didn't drop the cluch at 6000 RPM's and given us the REAL 0-60 time of closer to 7 seconds.
And as far as the "twisties" are concerned. There are Comaro SS's and Mustangs that can hang pretty close to a S2000 in the twisties. And the Z350 ain't that bad in twisties either, but it has a much more powerful engine.
The bottom line. There is nothing wrong with sheer power and speed. Leave S2000 owners alone who desire this from their car and stop telling them to buy Trans Am's.
And as far as buying a V8, maybe we don't want a V8. Maybe today's youth like the challenge of tuning a 4 beater instead. It's almost like V8's don't count in street racing becasue they're V8's.
And when I bought my S2000, I didn't do as much research as I should have, but I probably did more research than most people do before buying a car. And I did test drive the car twice before I drove it. But I was not testing it's 0-60 time and dropping the cluch at 6000 RPMS, and the olny time I really pushed the car was on the freeway. So I had a false sense of the power becasue of the fact that I was so close to VETC land on the freeway. It wasn't until I bought my car and starting doing everyday driving that I realized that the 0-60 time was not as great as I read in MT or R&T. I don't think that I have ever did a 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, but I am softer on my transmission. I didn't realize that I would have to destroy my cluch to get published 0-60 times. They should have given 0-60 times of people who didn't drop the cluch at 6000 RPM's and given us the REAL 0-60 time of closer to 7 seconds.
And as far as the "twisties" are concerned. There are Comaro SS's and Mustangs that can hang pretty close to a S2000 in the twisties. And the Z350 ain't that bad in twisties either, but it has a much more powerful engine.
The bottom line. There is nothing wrong with sheer power and speed. Leave S2000 owners alone who desire this from their car and stop telling them to buy Trans Am's.
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nastinupe1,
Just because the magazines didn't specify the clutch drop doesn't make the time any less real. How do you think they get all those cars they test to clock as fast as they do?
If people want to build up a 4 cylinder to go fast...sounds good to me. However, when other people bring up the logical choice of a V8, don't get all excited about it. It just makes sense.
You can make a 4 cylinder go quick in the 1/4...but a V8 IS quick in the 1/4...it's that simple.
Off the showroom floor maybe the Mustang Cobra has a prayer of keeping with the S in the curves...but other than that it would have to be fairly modified to overcome the solid rear axle and it's detrimental handling at the limit.
As for leaving owners alone...he asked the board their opinion and we gave it to him. True, I probably said once or twice that a V8 would make more sense, but I also gave advice about what I would modify on the S to achieve his goals...and I ALSO recommended finding a DIFFERENT FOUR CYLINDER car to start with as a baseline.
Anway, I'll leave you alone to lament your lack of research on the car...
Just because the magazines didn't specify the clutch drop doesn't make the time any less real. How do you think they get all those cars they test to clock as fast as they do?
If people want to build up a 4 cylinder to go fast...sounds good to me. However, when other people bring up the logical choice of a V8, don't get all excited about it. It just makes sense.
You can make a 4 cylinder go quick in the 1/4...but a V8 IS quick in the 1/4...it's that simple.
Off the showroom floor maybe the Mustang Cobra has a prayer of keeping with the S in the curves...but other than that it would have to be fairly modified to overcome the solid rear axle and it's detrimental handling at the limit.
As for leaving owners alone...he asked the board their opinion and we gave it to him. True, I probably said once or twice that a V8 would make more sense, but I also gave advice about what I would modify on the S to achieve his goals...and I ALSO recommended finding a DIFFERENT FOUR CYLINDER car to start with as a baseline.
Anway, I'll leave you alone to lament your lack of research on the car...
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From: houston
It's much more fun driving a slower car fast than it is driving a fast car slow.
The reason you won't find many people on this board willing to help you with the information you desire is because we don't have it. You represent a VERY small niche out of an already small niche, S2000 owners, that actually want to achieve this kind of result with their car. Most of us purchased it for the exact reasons we have explained. Go-kart handling, 9K RPM's, absolutely beautiful lines, Honda reliability, and most importantly BUILD QUALITY. I stress this because I am also one of the former LS1 owners on this board. Build quality and f-body do not belong in the same sentence, IMO, and look...I did it.
