Interest in a Turbo?
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From: Denver
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As you probably can tell, I do not ask "how much" as my first question. I begin by giving the stipulations, then paying the price. If others are nuts enough to get the best, then they can contact me. Your ideas for turbos are good, but the problem remains that this is a 2.0 liter car, and as such doesnt produce much displacement, so they may be still a little big. I go with the smaller, ball bearing turbos for reliability, and quality, not just for the difference in lag. 9.5 will be in my car, but then again, my car has a built motor. I certainly do not suggest that everyone do it, but then again...... if you have the means and the desire, go for it. Strokers are not cheap, but some people do not want to boost their cars, so stroker kits are the only option, therfore for some the cost is fine. The kit for stock internals will be made as simple as possible to install; bassicly put: so that almost anyone could put it on, simmilar to the Comptech system. This obviously will not allow for much "fiddling" with things, but will prevent people from inadvertently blowing up their cars. My engine has been torn down, and I can tell you that the rods are NOT titanium.
The ones that are going into my car are forged titanium though. As my car sits:
2.4L F20 c, Forged Ti rods, billet crank, Forged pistons.....the list goes on. My car will be the exception, not the rule. The stock internal kit is built on a whole other premise= quality and reliability are paramount, where as my car is "how nuts can you go?"
BTW I am using a relatively small turbo because I want minimal lag, but as you can see I am increasing displacement as well, hence the lower RPM to make boost.
As for the ECU problem, I am personally using an Fcon V, whereas the stock kits will be using some sort of MAP shunt, or if I want to go a little more nuts with it, and Fcon S.
I appriciate your post, as I am sure you have dealt with some of these problems already, and your knowledge is valuable.
Thanks
cmnsnse
I will be using either a deck guard set up, or actually doing a siameese liner. As for others doing it, I am builing a stock kit for the general public, and those that desire more, will be dealt with on and individual needs/wants basis as every project is different.
Ryan
I am sorry man, but I do not want to drag the car, I just want to have the fastest roadster around, and so far I am doing that.
Hopefully I have answered all of the questions that you have, if not, let me know
BTW the prototype stock kit is done, and will be testing for another month or so, to get things as close to perfect as possible. I think that you guys will like it. As for my car, it will be some time before it is done, but when it is.........
Mark
As you probably can tell, I do not ask "how much" as my first question. I begin by giving the stipulations, then paying the price. If others are nuts enough to get the best, then they can contact me. Your ideas for turbos are good, but the problem remains that this is a 2.0 liter car, and as such doesnt produce much displacement, so they may be still a little big. I go with the smaller, ball bearing turbos for reliability, and quality, not just for the difference in lag. 9.5 will be in my car, but then again, my car has a built motor. I certainly do not suggest that everyone do it, but then again...... if you have the means and the desire, go for it. Strokers are not cheap, but some people do not want to boost their cars, so stroker kits are the only option, therfore for some the cost is fine. The kit for stock internals will be made as simple as possible to install; bassicly put: so that almost anyone could put it on, simmilar to the Comptech system. This obviously will not allow for much "fiddling" with things, but will prevent people from inadvertently blowing up their cars. My engine has been torn down, and I can tell you that the rods are NOT titanium.
The ones that are going into my car are forged titanium though. As my car sits:
2.4L F20 c, Forged Ti rods, billet crank, Forged pistons.....the list goes on. My car will be the exception, not the rule. The stock internal kit is built on a whole other premise= quality and reliability are paramount, where as my car is "how nuts can you go?"
BTW I am using a relatively small turbo because I want minimal lag, but as you can see I am increasing displacement as well, hence the lower RPM to make boost.
As for the ECU problem, I am personally using an Fcon V, whereas the stock kits will be using some sort of MAP shunt, or if I want to go a little more nuts with it, and Fcon S.
I appriciate your post, as I am sure you have dealt with some of these problems already, and your knowledge is valuable.
Thanks
cmnsnse
I will be using either a deck guard set up, or actually doing a siameese liner. As for others doing it, I am builing a stock kit for the general public, and those that desire more, will be dealt with on and individual needs/wants basis as every project is different.
Ryan
I am sorry man, but I do not want to drag the car, I just want to have the fastest roadster around, and so far I am doing that.
Hopefully I have answered all of the questions that you have, if not, let me know
BTW the prototype stock kit is done, and will be testing for another month or so, to get things as close to perfect as possible. I think that you guys will like it. As for my car, it will be some time before it is done, but when it is.........
Mark
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From: SloCal
you`ll need to upgrade the cooling system too. Also, s2k`s are a bit ass happy as it is. I`d hate to come out of turn ? and hit vtec and max boost at the same time 
I ran a turbo teg at streets of willow and had to keep boost around 3-4lbs to be safe. Kinda defeated the purpose.
Ryan
I ran a turbo teg at streets of willow and had to keep boost around 3-4lbs to be safe. Kinda defeated the purpose.
Ryan
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From: Clearlake, CA
I'd be interested in a stock internals package...but not until my warranty expires. Sure, HMA may not cover something I do, but they might (my local mechanic seems pretty cool so far...); I have been told straight out that they will not cover anything if mods are present.
So, not this year, but I do want one. A quicker boost would allow me to pass those cars I catch up to in the curves ... but pull away in the straights
So, not this year, but I do want one. A quicker boost would allow me to pass those cars I catch up to in the curves ... but pull away in the straights
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That last post, at face value, looks rather troubling. Shouldn't the cost be based on a fair profit, and cost of materials? Why should it be based on the improvement it provides? How much would it cost for a 45Hp improvement? How much for 145?
I have always been leery of folks like Dinan and Jackson Racing when they seem to charge more for a product based on the cost of the car it is made for. The most expensive SC JR makes is for the Prelude. It could be based on R&D and material costs, or it could be based on greed. Additionally, products for Bimmers seem to be more costly than comparable products for Hondas. Certainly there may be more R&D coverage for mass market rides (Civic) than for small batches (S) and therefore smaller R&D cost/unit.
Again, at face value, greed may be rearing it's head and I am not as likely to jump in.
I have always been leery of folks like Dinan and Jackson Racing when they seem to charge more for a product based on the cost of the car it is made for. The most expensive SC JR makes is for the Prelude. It could be based on R&D and material costs, or it could be based on greed. Additionally, products for Bimmers seem to be more costly than comparable products for Hondas. Certainly there may be more R&D coverage for mass market rides (Civic) than for small batches (S) and therefore smaller R&D cost/unit.
Again, at face value, greed may be rearing it's head and I am not as likely to jump in.
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From: Clearlake, CA
Well, I don't think Mark can win on this one; either he posts a price without a dyno and people slam him for not having the facts to back it up, or he waits and people think he's going to price it by greed.
Think of it this way; no matter WHY it's priced, either you like the price/performance ratio or you don't.
Think of it this way; no matter WHY it's priced, either you like the price/performance ratio or you don't.
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From: Hudson
Hi NavNurs,
Having spent some time with Mark on the phone, I can assure you that greed is not a factor in his not posting a price. He just wants to make sure he has all the facts to support what he is developing. If you are seriously considering a turbo or a supercharger, I would highly suggest that you have a conversation with him.
Mark is an S2000 Owner and Enthusiast. He is also business owner who is trying to build his reputation by developing the very best performance enhancement products for our cars. He has spent thousands of dollars to develop this kit and if he is successful (and I am confident he will be), I want, and expect him, to make a reasonable profit for the risks he is taking.
Rest assured, whatever he decides to charge us, it will be far less than what we would have to pay one of the bigger performance shops had they developed it.
We need guys like Mark, Rick, Mingster and Muz. Without them, we would be waiting years for the enhancements they have created for our car (and would probably pay much more for them too!)
So let's support and encourage them.
Keep plugging away Mark. We are all anxiously waiting!!
Having spent some time with Mark on the phone, I can assure you that greed is not a factor in his not posting a price. He just wants to make sure he has all the facts to support what he is developing. If you are seriously considering a turbo or a supercharger, I would highly suggest that you have a conversation with him.
Mark is an S2000 Owner and Enthusiast. He is also business owner who is trying to build his reputation by developing the very best performance enhancement products for our cars. He has spent thousands of dollars to develop this kit and if he is successful (and I am confident he will be), I want, and expect him, to make a reasonable profit for the risks he is taking.
Rest assured, whatever he decides to charge us, it will be far less than what we would have to pay one of the bigger performance shops had they developed it.
We need guys like Mark, Rick, Mingster and Muz. Without them, we would be waiting years for the enhancements they have created for our car (and would probably pay much more for them too!)
So let's support and encourage them.
Keep plugging away Mark. We are all anxiously waiting!!