Interest in a Turbo?
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From: Torrance
I second this. Some of the stuff created by our fellow owners have been copied in the 2002 model by Honda (Rick's console cover and Mingster's deadpedal).
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rogman
[B]We need guys like Mark, Rick, Mingster and Muz.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rogman
[B]We need guys like Mark, Rick, Mingster and Muz.
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From: Sydney
Originally posted by MarkS2K
I second this. Some of the stuff created by our fellow owners have been copied in the 2002 model by Honda (Rick's console cover and Mingster's deadpedal).
I second this. Some of the stuff created by our fellow owners have been copied in the 2002 model by Honda (Rick's console cover and Mingster's deadpedal).
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Hmmm......
The reason for not posting is to not create a false sense of completion. What I mean is, the kit is not done (in a production sense), and if it requires some more money to make correct, I do not want to hesitate spending it just to stay below a price point that I prematurely mention. The cost is not driven by gain, as has been stated above. The cost will be based on cost of materials, and manufacturing, just as everything else is. I also do not want to divulge a price without having the factual evidence to substantiate my claims. In other words, the kit could cost 1000 dollars, but if it does not last, or does not make enough power to blow the dust off the desk, then is it worth it? The answer is NO. Greed has nothing to do with it, and to be quite honest, if you knew me and the way I opperate, you would not think this to be true. That being the case, I invite you to call me and I can go over the plans as well as the PROJECTED costs and benefits if you wish. Keep in mind, if I do not say much in the way of specifics on this board, it is because I do not want to make myself a liar by making false promises. I use my money to build the highest quality product available, then I market it, not the other way arround.
I hope you understand
Mark DiGrappa
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Hmmm......
The reason for not posting is to not create a false sense of completion. What I mean is, the kit is not done (in a production sense), and if it requires some more money to make correct, I do not want to hesitate spending it just to stay below a price point that I prematurely mention. The cost is not driven by gain, as has been stated above. The cost will be based on cost of materials, and manufacturing, just as everything else is. I also do not want to divulge a price without having the factual evidence to substantiate my claims. In other words, the kit could cost 1000 dollars, but if it does not last, or does not make enough power to blow the dust off the desk, then is it worth it? The answer is NO. Greed has nothing to do with it, and to be quite honest, if you knew me and the way I opperate, you would not think this to be true. That being the case, I invite you to call me and I can go over the plans as well as the PROJECTED costs and benefits if you wish. Keep in mind, if I do not say much in the way of specifics on this board, it is because I do not want to make myself a liar by making false promises. I use my money to build the highest quality product available, then I market it, not the other way arround.
I hope you understand
Mark DiGrappa
PS PM me if you need the number
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From: Orange Park
Just wanted to say that it's a very bad idea to consider running a turbo with an internal wastegate. They are not as reliable as an external wastegate, especially as the Tial 46mm that I'm running. Internal wastegates are much more prone to boost creep.
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Rick
I understand your point about the turbos, but just because you CAN rebuild a turbo, does not mean that everyone is going to want to. People want to be able to bolt it on and forget about it, not rebuild it. Ball bearing turbos are nearly bulletproof, I know because I have had them, and for this reason alone, are a better choice.
When I refer to means and desires I am mearly saying that if you have the money (means) and the desire to have a rocketship S 2000 then by all means go ahead and do it. Doing this kit is about proper turbo sizing around the engine displacement, at a given boost level, to provide more of what the car lacks, which is low end. This kit will not be made for pure numbers sake, but for the way people actually drive their cars. It is easy to slap a huge turbo on a car and boost as much as you can to get big numbers at high rpms, but it is much more difficult to find a correct turbo and make it spool quickly enough to give some low end, as I am sure you know.
As for stroking a 9k motor with a rebuilt (ground) stock crank, I am a little skeptical to say the least. Once again, I am not in it to save money, I am in it to make the best. If somone wants a kit that has been comprimised for the sake of price point, then they need to go to somone else. This does not mean that my kits will be outrageously priced, it simply means that I am willing to sell the kit for closer to my cost. I am not interested in making huge margins on these things, nor am I willing to produce a kit that I feel has comprimises. As I have said before, the only phone calls/ e-mails I want to ever get from my customers is to say that they are happy. In order to do this it means that I have to fully develop something with bolt your hood shut reliability.........which is what I am doing, at any price.
Also, I am not sure about your numbers for pressure vs octane at a give CR. I know of some engines that are far more extreme, and far less built than mine. Case in point: 906hp (over 1000hp at the crank ) at the rear wheels Supra, running 25psi, and 9:1 cr, on pump gas. This motor has 50k on it, and is a daily driver, in AZ (hotter than hell, adding to possible detonation problems). Since this is possible, so is my project, as far as I know. BTW the same guy is doing the development on my kit, so...........
Thank you again for your imput, and your expirenced information.
Derryk
I have no plans to use an internal wastegate, for the reasons you mention.
Once again, thank you both for your help.
Mark
I understand your point about the turbos, but just because you CAN rebuild a turbo, does not mean that everyone is going to want to. People want to be able to bolt it on and forget about it, not rebuild it. Ball bearing turbos are nearly bulletproof, I know because I have had them, and for this reason alone, are a better choice.
When I refer to means and desires I am mearly saying that if you have the money (means) and the desire to have a rocketship S 2000 then by all means go ahead and do it. Doing this kit is about proper turbo sizing around the engine displacement, at a given boost level, to provide more of what the car lacks, which is low end. This kit will not be made for pure numbers sake, but for the way people actually drive their cars. It is easy to slap a huge turbo on a car and boost as much as you can to get big numbers at high rpms, but it is much more difficult to find a correct turbo and make it spool quickly enough to give some low end, as I am sure you know.
As for stroking a 9k motor with a rebuilt (ground) stock crank, I am a little skeptical to say the least. Once again, I am not in it to save money, I am in it to make the best. If somone wants a kit that has been comprimised for the sake of price point, then they need to go to somone else. This does not mean that my kits will be outrageously priced, it simply means that I am willing to sell the kit for closer to my cost. I am not interested in making huge margins on these things, nor am I willing to produce a kit that I feel has comprimises. As I have said before, the only phone calls/ e-mails I want to ever get from my customers is to say that they are happy. In order to do this it means that I have to fully develop something with bolt your hood shut reliability.........which is what I am doing, at any price.
Also, I am not sure about your numbers for pressure vs octane at a give CR. I know of some engines that are far more extreme, and far less built than mine. Case in point: 906hp (over 1000hp at the crank ) at the rear wheels Supra, running 25psi, and 9:1 cr, on pump gas. This motor has 50k on it, and is a daily driver, in AZ (hotter than hell, adding to possible detonation problems). Since this is possible, so is my project, as far as I know. BTW the same guy is doing the development on my kit, so...........
Thank you again for your imput, and your expirenced information.
Derryk
I have no plans to use an internal wastegate, for the reasons you mention.
Once again, thank you both for your help.
Mark
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From: Baltimore
Mark,
I like the fact that you are going balls-out on this. By making a few different stages of kits, most people will be satisfied. It's not everyday that someone on this forum comes along and says "Hey everyone, I'm going to spend my money and get a decent turbo kit made, test it, and tune it."
All we have to do is buy one when they come out if we're satisfied with the results. Personally I'd like to see the one with stock internals. A reliable kit to spruce up my daily driver, that isn't too costly (5-7k), but has good materials. If you can help get that made, Mark, my money is yours.
Steve
I like the fact that you are going balls-out on this. By making a few different stages of kits, most people will be satisfied. It's not everyday that someone on this forum comes along and says "Hey everyone, I'm going to spend my money and get a decent turbo kit made, test it, and tune it."
All we have to do is buy one when they come out if we're satisfied with the results. Personally I'd like to see the one with stock internals. A reliable kit to spruce up my daily driver, that isn't too costly (5-7k), but has good materials. If you can help get that made, Mark, my money is yours.
Steve
If Mark makes a reliable low boost kit with stock internals for 5-7k, my money will be his as well.
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From: Orange Park
Not trying to step on Mark's toes here, but there is already a kit in that range. I have almost 4K miles on my kit now, timing issue is solved. 8 psi on pump gas eguates to 320 RWHP with stock internals. HELLO http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u...&p=54605921&f=0