2nd amendment, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."



Do we still have a well regulated militia?

 

Bear arms:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11425214...ht_to_Bear_Arms

 

You ever look to see how many laws cover firearm ownership? It's regulated

 

No, I honestly don't really care.


I've never needed a gun, and hope I never will. Would VAtec have happened if the dude wasn't allowed to buy a gun? NIU? Columbine? 11,000 gun deaths a year is a bit excessive.

 

Ehh, it's a good start.

 

Its good to see that this is still predictable...

 

I've been silently watching and enjoying ...until now.

At the risk of causing a lock on this, you have got to be kidding me. You're aware it was illegal for him to kill and hurt others, yet he did it anyway, right? Do we really think he would've said "Well gee, I'd like to kill a bunch of people, but it just wouldn't be legal for me to obtain a firearm through non-legal channels. I guess I won't kill anyone.

Since when do criminals have such respect for gun acquisition regulations, despite their complete lack of willingness to abide by the other laws that exist?

A gun is a tool, used to accomplish a task. Take a tool away from anybody who is appropriately motivated and they will think of 10 other ways to reach the same result or outcome with a different tool or a different approach.

Sorry, that just REALLY got under my skin.


(attempt to pull this post out of off-topic)

Go buy heatshrink and it'll do the trick. Best suggestion I've heard here.

 

[QUOTE=MikeyCB,Feb 26 2008, 11:05 AM] I've been silently watching and enjoying ...until now.

At the risk of causing a lock on this, you have got to be kidding me.

 

I would have to agree with what MikeyCB said and there is a clear line between criminal possession and legal possession of a firearm (which is what I was discussing).

But, while on the VA Tech topic, would it have turned out any different if one of the individuals there was legally carrying a firearm and used it in self-defense? Who knows.

My primary reason for feeling that it is not necessary to walk down the street with a firearm as self-defense is that the risk for harming someone other than a would-be criminal far exceeds my comfort level.

You can talk about how you know how to use it and would only draw if absolutely necessary but how many innocent people are caught by a stray bullet from a cop every year? They know how to use a firearm too (most of the time), the risk of harming an innocent, in my mind, is too great.

If you're in a position where it is necessary to use a firearm, chances are, you won't have the time to use it anyway and if you do have a chance to pull it, you open up a whole can of worms when it comes to the reactions of who you are drawing down upon. What if they run and find someone else and instead of pulling and demanding, they shoot and take first because of what just happened with you?

But I suppose it would be a "not me, not my problem" sort of thing...

As I said before, I'm all for the right to to do it, I just don't think that just because we have the right to do something that its right to do it in public, concealed or not. I fully support organized militia, if they want to have 10,000 AR15s and a pile of 9mms, that's fine, I would like their help and would gladly join them in a situation that required them. Just don't carry them down the street any old time you please.

 

on the flip side of your post, if even one person at VAtech had been carrying concealed legally he/she could probably have put a bullet in the shooter before he did nearly as much damage. the USA is built on the concept that if everyone is free, ie less restricted by gov., everyone is better off because our rights won't be abused. sometimes the very freedoms we cherish enable people with evil intent to do evil things, and its unfortunate, but i'd take it over excessive government control and regulation any day.

this has gone wayyy off topic. to the OP, lot of good suggestions, but i'd personally say the simplest is to take it out before you get in the car. its what i do when i have something on my belt or sticking out of a pocket... funny how many other people chimed in, i also wouldn't have thought this would be a common problem.