Miata + S2000 = M2000?
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Not to hate on anyone here either, but the guy does have point. If he turbo'd the Miata engine he would have about the same power numbers if not more if he spent the same money he spent on the swap. But he would have a turbo Miata, just like 400 other people. This is a great project, that I would love to own. If I had the same goals in mind with the same budget, I would have put a turbo on a 1.8 Miata motor... but look at my screen name!
People here need to give some respect to the grandfather of the S2000. If the market was not created, well refreshed anyway, in 1990 by the Miata, there would be no S2000.
Some background on the Miata engine, the 1.6l came directly from Mazda's world rally program. It came out of the 323GTX. In this car it came with a turbo. The 1.8l Miata engine came from the same car, but this time it came from the 323GTX we saw here in the US. These engines can make some good power turbo'd. They are a turbo motor without the turbo. They have the required pieces to make a reliable turbo engine... including oil squirters and the blocks are even tapped for oil and coolant feeds for the turbos. I have seen stock bottom end 1.8's turbo'd making 350hp.
I respect the S2000, and the Miata. Anyone that has a complex about how much better an S2000 is than a Miata, you better get over it. The cars are so close, they are both cut from the same design cloth. The Miata was the inspiration for the S2000. Respect them both.
End of thread jack... Alex, see you Sat. at Homestead.
People here need to give some respect to the grandfather of the S2000. If the market was not created, well refreshed anyway, in 1990 by the Miata, there would be no S2000.
Some background on the Miata engine, the 1.6l came directly from Mazda's world rally program. It came out of the 323GTX. In this car it came with a turbo. The 1.8l Miata engine came from the same car, but this time it came from the 323GTX we saw here in the US. These engines can make some good power turbo'd. They are a turbo motor without the turbo. They have the required pieces to make a reliable turbo engine... including oil squirters and the blocks are even tapped for oil and coolant feeds for the turbos. I have seen stock bottom end 1.8's turbo'd making 350hp.
I respect the S2000, and the Miata. Anyone that has a complex about how much better an S2000 is than a Miata, you better get over it. The cars are so close, they are both cut from the same design cloth. The Miata was the inspiration for the S2000. Respect them both.
End of thread jack... Alex, see you Sat. at Homestead.
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Dude not to hate but you spent alot of money on little performance you could have gotten 50 lbft more torque and another 100 hp easy by just turboing the mazda motor.
Also, turbo cars are MUCH more high maintenance than NA motors are. My intent was to put together a car which would spend as little time with the hood open as possible. My engine is making Miata turbo (low boost) horsepower and is 100% stock, S2000 guys on the west coast are getting years of reliability from these motors, how can you beat that?
[QUOTE]I doubt you think you are the same power to wieght as a gt3. last time i checked they
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Originally Posted by Fyrestrike,Jul 18 2007, 02:33 PM
Agreed, this is certainly something I considered when I was planning to build a track Miata. I went for a ride in a turbo Miata driven by a Chin instructor at Sebring which REALLY turned me off to the whole idea. The motor is a dog out of boost and his horsepower was fluctuating way too much mid corner from being on and off the throttle.
Also, turbo cars are MUCH more high maintenance than NA motors are. My intent was to put together a car which would spend as little time with the hood open as possible. My engine is making Miata turbo (low boost) horsepower and is 100% stock, S2000 guys on the west coast are getting years of reliability from these motors, how can you beat that?
I'm beginning to sense some ignorance here but I'll humor you. If you recall from high school math (it's probably been a week or so since you were there) you'd know that hp/weight ratio is calculated by dividing weight by horsepower...
GT3: 3075lbs/415hp=7.4 lbs/hp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_997)
M2000: 2010lbs/(232.6*1.20) adding 20% for drivetrain loss to get crank hp
2010lbs/279hp=7.2lbs/hp
Still with me? My power to weight is actually a bit better than the GT3, however there are many other factors that define a quick car so I'm not saying by any means that my car is better than a GT3.
I would love for you to come out to some autocrosses or track days (assuming you're local) to see how your Miatas compare. I'm more into real driving than magazine/forum racing anyway...
If it's not obvious, from the get go I had no interest in driving this car on the street. Also, if you come out to a track day, I don't want to here these kinds of reasons when your car can't run all day or when you can't keep up so save it.
No doubt, I had no intention of putting more torque down than I need. It's very difficult to fit any kind of substantial rubber under the Miata so 150wtq is more than enough for my purposes.
Oh, but the butchering was so fun! I will absolutely enjoy this car and I appreciate any feedback on it (good or bad).
Also, turbo cars are MUCH more high maintenance than NA motors are. My intent was to put together a car which would spend as little time with the hood open as possible. My engine is making Miata turbo (low boost) horsepower and is 100% stock, S2000 guys on the west coast are getting years of reliability from these motors, how can you beat that?
I'm beginning to sense some ignorance here but I'll humor you. If you recall from high school math (it's probably been a week or so since you were there) you'd know that hp/weight ratio is calculated by dividing weight by horsepower...
GT3: 3075lbs/415hp=7.4 lbs/hp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_997)
M2000: 2010lbs/(232.6*1.20) adding 20% for drivetrain loss to get crank hp
2010lbs/279hp=7.2lbs/hp
Still with me? My power to weight is actually a bit better than the GT3, however there are many other factors that define a quick car so I'm not saying by any means that my car is better than a GT3.
I would love for you to come out to some autocrosses or track days (assuming you're local) to see how your Miatas compare. I'm more into real driving than magazine/forum racing anyway...
If it's not obvious, from the get go I had no interest in driving this car on the street. Also, if you come out to a track day, I don't want to here these kinds of reasons when your car can't run all day or when you can't keep up so save it.
No doubt, I had no intention of putting more torque down than I need. It's very difficult to fit any kind of substantial rubber under the Miata so 150wtq is more than enough for my purposes.
Oh, but the butchering was so fun! I will absolutely enjoy this car and I appreciate any feedback on it (good or bad).
I couldnt have said that better my self! 
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Originally Posted by MX5RACER,Jul 18 2007, 11:08 AM
I respect the S2000, and the Miata. Anyone that has a complex about how much better an S2000 is than a Miata, you better get over it. The cars are so close, they are both cut from the same design cloth. The Miata was the inspiration for the S2000. Respect them both.
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WoW...I was going to come out flat and say miata's are queer 
Alex just made a originally slow car into a magnificent nimble beast....
Ohhh yes....and to Alex : My greatest apologies if I have offended you by jumping on this thread and bashing a Stock Miata , MX-5 whatever there called.
The M2000 is a masterpiece....
Alex just made a originally slow car into a magnificent nimble beast....
Ohhh yes....and to Alex : My greatest apologies if I have offended you by jumping on this thread and bashing a Stock Miata , MX-5 whatever there called.
The M2000 is a masterpiece....