[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606
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I'm not one of these 'you dis'd me so I'm gunna sue you!' kinda guys, but it does sound like he's A) been one of the unfortunate B) suffered hardship as a result of being dicked around by Honda.

I mean, they said that the correct way to fix it was a new engine: $15000. And if they think an engine rebuild is not a good fix then they'd have to agree that the car has been devalued. So I think you should go them for $15000. This isn't 'respect' money, it's what they said it was worth.

 

You can't take the truth in people's posts with a blind eye. If you abuse something, of course it will break. I have a feeling a lot of the engine failures are due to abuse. They just don't want to own up to it. They would rather blame it on someone else like Honda. I'm not saying you abused your car. But having low oil and driving it around is abuse imho. I see the same type of posts in other forums. People with blown turbos on the S4 board swapping out their chips and trying to get Audi to cover it under warranty, etc. I am not saying there are no legitimate posts but I wonder how many of us would own up to a mis-downshift causing an overrev and damage or blowing a turbo while using a chip, etc.

 

s2k...I see what you are saying, but do you agree that this is the engine honda made specifically for the purpose of being it's high powered "race" engine? Abuse is a hard term to define...if abuse is anytime you let the clutch drop and the wheels spin then isn't almost everyone on this board "abusive" to their cars? Or is abuse running the car on low oil during an AutoX? Or maybe something in between. My main gripe with honda is...if there are going to mass produce a car that they advertise as 220hp (or whatever it may be) with a six speed tranny...with the look and feel of a race car, then they should be prepared to put in an engine that can take the higher stress.

Not all honda's are bad...I think the accord and civic are solid cars, low matienence and economical, but this for honda with expection to the NSX and Type S models is new water.

Also the fact that there are numerous cases all with the same conditions should say something for a mishap in production or a problem that was overseen.

Aus...I appreciate your comments, one of the few people who actually support me in suing honda for more than 4500.

BTW: just to update. I'm in the process of selling my car for 17500. With the new engine...so that means for a 2 month adventure it costs me about 10000 dollars....I should've just rented one huh? I've disclosed to the buyer the information found on this site, and showed the paper work/pics of the engine. Some times you have to cut bait and bail...too bad it's gonna cost me....

The lawsuit is still in order...I will keep you all updated on the status.

 

I feel for you toofast4u.

I am in a similar predicament, and I believe you are entitled to sue Honda for a lot more than $15k.

My car has been off the road for over 5 months now and despite mechanical engineer's reports showing that engine failure was caused by a manufacturing defect Honda will still not replace my engine.

Over here an s2k is a $75k AUD car and to have Honda replace an engine is around $30k AUD.
I am suing Honda for well over $100k to compensate me for time off road, loss of resale value, loss of revenue (my vehicle is used mainly for work), uneccessary lease payments, undue stress leading to depression.

I say if they want to fvck you up the arse fvck them back ten times harder!

 

If you read this board you will learn that some S-2000's consume no oil, and some alot of oil. This is NORMAL. Mine consumes alot of oil. I was aware of that, and I have checked the oil every 300 miles since the car was new. Never had a problem.

Jonas

 

Toofast

Here is a formula that perhaps will illustrate your problem.

A. Dropping the clutch resulting in wheelspin IS abuse.

B. Driving autocross and "normally" at 100+ MPH two quarts down on oil IS abuse.

C. Insisting the s2000 engine is a "race engine". It isn't even close.

D. Suing AH for age discrimination because he does not get his way.

E. Pissed at Honda because he does not get a $35,000 loaner like BMW would have done. (Do you think your fathers dealership would give a $35,000 loaner to a 19 year old kid who just brought in a car with an engine that appeared to be abused?).

F. Total ignorance of the features of the car. It's 240 hp not 220. Admitting that you NEVER check your oil. You revealed you check your oil every 3000 miles when you CHANGE your oil. Translation: You never check your oil.

G. Freely admits to not being experienced at running at 8000 rpms. Admits downshifting from 6th to 4th at fairly high speed.(not abuse but not recommended for 19 year old drivers who obviously have never opened the owners manual.


A+B+C+D+E+F+G = 19 Year old driver with a $19,000 problem waiting to happen.

 

Your failure appears to be typical of the numerous cyl #4 failures. Here is the link to Barry's excellent documentation
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...p?threadid=8051

 

SJSHARKS hitting it right on the head...especially E and F.

 

If you bought your car with @20,000 miles on it and had an engine failure failure within a few days, the previous owner almost certainly knew of the problem. Here in the cheese state, we have to disclose stuff like that when we sell vehicles. Maybe you have recourse through the previous owner. Also, a number of owners reported a rapid and substantial loss of oil when the #4 cylinder problem occured that would not have been detected under normal conditions. Maybe it's a warranty issue, maybe not. Regardless, giving the dealer crap and immediately calling an attorney is pretty bush league. Finally, if you think you get respect because someone pays you money, you just don't get it.