I honestly think they will, we just have to be patient, wait for the market to recover, and for the focus on "Green" cars to let up just enough to allow a Green Sports Car to show itself... CR-Z Type "G" anyone?

 

Thanks I'll check to see if it has them! Going to pick up my Apex Blue tomorrow as well. Love my Laguna still though! Going to be hard to part with her!

 

[QUOTE=stylinhonda,Apr 8 2009, 03:14 PM] Thanks I'll check to see if it has them!

 

painting them black to look clean. Oh and on the header and exaust for $1500 not bad price but how much HP did u gain from them/ how much better is youre time on the track. For me to spend that much for 10-15hp is not worth it to me. But i did come from a moded evo. So when i spent $600 on a full exasut and 100 on porting my exaust header i would get around 20-30 horse for $700. After having a evo which are cheap to mod and they show good numbers to any mod its hard for me to mod any other cars. I only spent around $2k on the evo and had her to 330awhp and around 320tq really fun car to drive in the straights and turns. But the Cr is more fun to me due to it being stock so its a better DD sort of. And more rare than a evo and RWD/ taking the top off is great. My dream would be keep the CR for track/weekend cruise, have a beater truck to haul it to the track. Than have another evo with only basic mods as a DD but only shoot for 300awhp this time. And evo are really cheap right now

 

Oh and the only reason i don't have the evo crashed it the weekend before i left San Diego. But i do love the S never new how fun they were till i test drove one.

 

I had an 06 Sti with 450whp before I bought the CR. I am not gonna try to talk you into modding your car.... just dont make the mistake of thinking that bolt ons are not worth it. I gained 40hp in some areas with header, exhaust and hondata flash....so I spent roughly $2000, and got 40hp = $50 per hp. thats not too bad.

You cant compare modding a NA S2K with an Evo

 

[QUOTE=ileventhal86,Apr 8 2009, 11:35 PM] Me too.

 

I get to see Ira's CR tomorow

 

True ur right on that both cars are different platforms. Now when u say u gained 40hp in some areas what does that mean. I would like to know if you did a dyno before and after the mods and the tune?? And if u do have a dyno sheet if u could maybe post it or pm me it i would like to see not the numbers as much as the how do i say it the power curve on it. U might have just changed my mind in puting a header and exaust on my car. The only main reason i did not want to is for auto x i hear they take away points for that. And do to the fact that sometimes mods can make a dd more fun at first but later on a pain in the butt and for sure u would know that with the STI. Man that had to be a pain moding that thing i use to help my buddy out with mods and to do one little thing it seemed like we had to take way to many parts off and move things around for one mod. Now if u dont auto x the car and just like playing around on some streets and don't mind the louder noise than i would be all for moding the CR. But im trying to keep her as stock as possible for auto x. But by the sound of it u might have changed my mind with this how the feel in difference before the mods and tune?? Because a header and exaust with a tune i could deal with for a real 40whp gain but if its just 40 and not to the wheels i would stay stock thanks for the insight hope to see the dyno graph if u got one

 

The problem, if you want to call it a problem, is that Honda doesn't leave as much on the table as many other manufacturers do. Honda wrings every last Horsepower out of a given displacement at a reliable RPM while maintaining the economy that comes with the efficiency of this approach. If you can gain 30-50 horsepower by adding a simple intake to your Mustang/Camaro/Subaru/etc.., what does that tell you about the "Engineering" that went into the stock machine? It tells me they didn't try very hard to optimize the package they designed. This makes the back yard tuner feel great because he just "found" 40 HP by adding a piece of tubing and a K&N filter, but to me, that's just extra money he shouldn't have needed to spend in the first place.

Either other OEMs aren't capable of optimizing their products or, more likely, other factors such as cost or schedules take priority and "Good enough" is considered acceptable. For what cars cost these days, I think that's BS. You should not be able to simply bolt on intake, exhaust, or get a chip programmed that improves performance across the RPM range by 10% or more. If you can, then you didn't get a very well engineered product for your money to start with.

If you want serious improvements in Honda/Acura motor output I have 2 words for you... "Forced Induction". Well done Turbos and Superchargers do wonders for most Hondas. No it's not cheap, but it'll give you the bang for the buck you deserve while maintaining reliability and efficiency (if done correctly of course).

Most bolt on mods just move the output curve around a bit or give up some low end to gain a couple high end HP or in many cases, just don't work as well as the stock pieces did in the first place. In the worst cases, the mods give up reliability to gain a couple of HP by leaning out the mixture WAY too much or raising the redline more than 500 rpm. That's never a good trade off for a street driven car in my book.

I had a PRM intake on my last S2000 and loved it. Not because it gained 20 HP, in fact, it might have lost low end and MAYBE gained me 1-2 HP near redline. But I loved the wonderful noise it made and for the inexpensive cost (<$100 I think), the noise alone was worth it for me.