What's up with the Molybdenum: 268 ppm, and then 616 ppm. I thought this was the secret break-in oil ingredient. If so why would the second oil sample ppm be higher than the first sample, which should have been the break-in oil. Am I missing something here?

I sent my break-in oil off to Blackstone last week and haven't got the results back yet.

What does the Titan analysis cost. Blackstone's is $18.50, and is discounted to $17.50 if you mention S2Ki. Blackstone is also going to keep a running total of all S2000 results to give us a better idea of "normal" S2000 oil analysis results. Do a search Blackstone to get further info on this.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mselland
[B]What's up with the Molybdenum: 268 ppm, and then 616 ppm. I thought this was the secret break-in oil ingredient. If so why would the second oil sample ppm be higher than the first sample, which should have been the break-in oil. Am I missing something here?

I sent my break-in oil off to Blackstone last week and haven't got the results back yet.

What does the Titan analysis cost. Blackstone's is $18.50, and is discounted to $17.50 if you mention S2Ki. Blackstone is also going to

 

Someone might want to send samples of Mobil 1 and Redline straight from the can to determine the baseline for mineral content in these oils. Maybe Redline starts out with more Molybdenum, etc.

 

I have been taking my car to the dealer for services and they use Honda Type R oil (for the S2000 and the Integra Type R).

I haven't had a problem with it why would you use mobile synthetic or any other oil if this one is supposably designed for the S2000 engine?

 

S2000 Driver,


I've been using Redline 5W-30 from 12k - 30k miles. I recently switched to Royal Purple 5W-30 and "think" that it runs a little better than the Redline. I was a RedLine fanatic until Carboy mentioned this oil.

I would like for someone else to switch from Redline to Royal Purple just to hear their thoughts.

 

joe_s2k,

Good luck with Royal Purple, however, I will be staying with Red Line for the forseeable future.

 

Blackstone Labs Oil Analysis Results from my S2000's first oil change at 3752 miles and 3 months service. This was the factory fill oil:

Date: 08/12/01 Factory Fill
Drain Miles: 3752
Oil Added: 0

Physical Tests

SUS Viscosity @210 degrees F: 56.6 - I'm not sure what this means and a reference value was not provided
Flashpoint 370
Fuel %: <0.5
Water %: 0.0
Antifreeze %: 0.0
Insolubles %: 0.2

Insolubles are solid material that is centrifuge out of the oil. They are typically free carbon from the oxidation of the oil itself, along with blow-by past the rings.

Elements in Parts per Million PPM. The first number is my analysis the second number is the universal average provided by Blackstone

Chromium: 1, 2- Rings a trace element in steel
Copper: 19, 14- Brass or bronze parts, copper bushings, bearings, oil coolers, also an additive in some oils
Iron: 10, 19- Cylinders, rotating shafts, valve train and any steel part sharing the oil
Lead: 3, 4- Bearings
Tin: 0, 0- Bearings, bronze parts, piston coatings
Aluminum: 21, 12- Pistons, bearings, cases (heads & blocks)
Silicon: 48, 33- Airborne dirt, sealers, gaskets, anti-freeze inhibitors
Barium:4, 7- Detergent/dispersant additive
Boron: 86, 52- Detergent/dispersant additive, anti-freeze inhibitors
Calcium: 1578, 1165- Detergent/dispersant additive
Manganese: 1, 2- Trace element, gasoline additive
Magnesium: 6, 236- Detergent/dispersant additive
Molybdenum: 574, 291- Anti-wear additive, some types of rings
Nickel: 1, 1- Trace element in steel
Phosphorus: 686, 668- Anti-wear additive
Silver: 0, 0- Trace Element
Sodium: 7, 18- Anti-freeze inhibitors, oil additive
Titanium: 0, 0- Trace Element
Vanadium: 0, 0- Trace Element
Zinc: 849, 813- Anti wear additive

Antimony and Cadmium: Blackstone did not analyze for this. Titan analysis does not include Manganese and Vanadium.

Blackstone's Comments: Universal averages show typical wear metals for an oil from this type engine after a routine oil run and after wear-in. Your oil was in use 3752 miles and this is a wear-in sample so the metals and silicon highlighted are not from problems. The molybdenum is an oil additive. Silicon is from sealers and other factory left-overs. Oil filtration was functioning well while this oil was in use. This factory oil had no gas, moisture or anti-freeze in it. It was a good idea taking this oil out of service when you did. Check back. Use 3000 mi oil use.

The oil I changed to was Mobil 10W-30 mineral oil with a Mobil 1 MI-104 filter. I plan on changing to Mobil 1 synthetic oil at 10,000 miles.

Note that I added no oil during this interval. My oil level stayed at the dipstick H mark. I purchased the car with 38 miles on it and ~15 miles of that was my test drive. I V-TEC'd maybe once before the 600 miles. I only moderately V-TEC'd after that. No clutch drops, but several second gear chirps on rolling starts. I made two drives with the local STOOKs on ~150 miles of twisties where V-TEC was used extensively.

From a brief comparison to the Titan results above it appears that Red-Line & Mobil 1 synthetic oil start out with a significant amount of molybdenum.

Just offering this up as comparison.