S2k off a cliff, you here? (mpeg)
Wantone,
seems you did upgrades you your car you didn't understand - which was the problem #1. and you still don't understand them.
Aftermarket bigger swaybars are used for less body roll but make your suspension less independent too. Right, they are great for smooth tracks and roads, but over bumpy roads you have less grip than with the smaller sways. Also the front and rear swaybars work in a system together - changing them changes the sustem and your car may start understeering or oversteering less or more. That's why when people get these big aftermarket swaybars they prefer them being adjustable too (and main purpose of adjustable aftermarket swaybars is exactly to tweak the balance of your car how you want it to be) - so you can get to the racetrack and after some testing you can adjust the handling of the car to oversteer/understeer or neutral - how you want it - if you know how to tweak the swaybars of course - that's their main purpose - some people want oversteer, some understeer, some wanna drift neutral. also some other suspension mods may have changed the car's balance and using the swaybars & tweaking them you readjust the suspension to the previous balance you liked before.
Chasis bracing is different thing - it won't mess the suspension - it is good thing because reducing the flex you keep the geometry of the car closer to the ideal one on paper - and thus letting the suspension to work better. Bracing the chassis is not a bad thing and won't change your suspension in such way you did with the swaybars (putting something you didn't know what does, what is its purpose and how it is adjusted)
For people who don't understand they are doing - I suggest not touching their cars from stock form! Putting swaybars because heard from someone they are cool is stupid! And it doesn't matter for track or street use - if you don't know exactly the physics behind your mod and what exactly it is for and how to tweak & handle it & what its purpose is - skip it!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wantone
[B]From an experience and possible theory of what happened...
seems you did upgrades you your car you didn't understand - which was the problem #1. and you still don't understand them.
Aftermarket bigger swaybars are used for less body roll but make your suspension less independent too. Right, they are great for smooth tracks and roads, but over bumpy roads you have less grip than with the smaller sways. Also the front and rear swaybars work in a system together - changing them changes the sustem and your car may start understeering or oversteering less or more. That's why when people get these big aftermarket swaybars they prefer them being adjustable too (and main purpose of adjustable aftermarket swaybars is exactly to tweak the balance of your car how you want it to be) - so you can get to the racetrack and after some testing you can adjust the handling of the car to oversteer/understeer or neutral - how you want it - if you know how to tweak the swaybars of course - that's their main purpose - some people want oversteer, some understeer, some wanna drift neutral. also some other suspension mods may have changed the car's balance and using the swaybars & tweaking them you readjust the suspension to the previous balance you liked before.
Chasis bracing is different thing - it won't mess the suspension - it is good thing because reducing the flex you keep the geometry of the car closer to the ideal one on paper - and thus letting the suspension to work better. Bracing the chassis is not a bad thing and won't change your suspension in such way you did with the swaybars (putting something you didn't know what does, what is its purpose and how it is adjusted)
For people who don't understand they are doing - I suggest not touching their cars from stock form! Putting swaybars because heard from someone they are cool is stupid! And it doesn't matter for track or street use - if you don't know exactly the physics behind your mod and what exactly it is for and how to tweak & handle it & what its purpose is - skip it!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wantone
[B]From an experience and possible theory of what happened...
Originally posted by S2K_Dallas
Weren't there pictures of the aftermath? Where are those? or can someone PM them to me?
Weren't there pictures of the aftermath? Where are those? or can someone PM them to me?
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First off I have not seen the alleged video of myself crossing double yellow lines, "white car with red racing stripes" or speeding. (though I would like to as I don't remember doing it) I have been on quite a few runs, autocrosses, track events and the like and I will be the first to admit that I drive very fast, a very controlled fast. If I did pass on a double yellow it was more then likely a mistake. If not then it was on one of several pieces of road that I know well and can see at least 1-2 miles of road ahead.
#personal note#
Someone also claimed that griffintodd/notion said it was ok to see the video, I believe that you got myself and him mixed up we both used the griffin avatar, why , because it was supposed to be the new Southern California S2k logo. We found a better one and I have removed it from my signiture. I wish to publiclly appologize to griffintodd/notion if he recieved any evil PM's. That being said what the post read was that I renew ### not remove ### my objection until the owner of the car steps forward.
Sorry griff and sorry to anybody who got confused.
#personal note#
Someone also claimed that griffintodd/notion said it was ok to see the video, I believe that you got myself and him mixed up we both used the griffin avatar, why , because it was supposed to be the new Southern California S2k logo. We found a better one and I have removed it from my signiture. I wish to publiclly appologize to griffintodd/notion if he recieved any evil PM's. That being said what the post read was that I renew ### not remove ### my objection until the owner of the car steps forward.
Sorry griff and sorry to anybody who got confused.



