Went from AP1 to AP2v2, some thoughts
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I am currently the owner of a 02 AP1 and an 08 CR. They are surprisingly different even with very similar suspension specially when driven back to back. I've had CR suspension with swift-r springs on both:
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing.
Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissions
Very raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing.
Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissionsVery raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Fokker' timestamp='1429134963' post='23579281
I've never understood where everyone rags on the CDV. I have never noticed the CDV in any AP2 I've driven and I shift fast.
Maybe its been removed? I hate it and will be taking it out soon. Just sounds like I'm riding the clutch at upper rpm.
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If you shift at WOT as fast as you can shift an AP1 it will slip sometimes. AP2 has a much heavier flywheel so it just takes longer for the revs to go back down, which combined with the delay valve will make it slip.
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It's just the flywheel - if you fast-shift under 7k you never notice any slip. The takeaway though is that if you slow your shifts a bit, you never will notice it.
The CDV is to regulate driveline shock, the heavy flywheel retains energy between shifts, so you don't need to shift as fast.
The CDV is to regulate driveline shock, the heavy flywheel retains energy between shifts, so you don't need to shift as fast.
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I understand what everyone is trying to explain, I just never notice any slip; this is with WOT shifts just before the rev limiter. I was doing it last night and this morning, no noticeable slip by feel or watching the tachometer.
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I am currently the owner of a 02 AP1 and an 08 CR. They are surprisingly different even with very similar suspension specially when driven back to back. I've had CR suspension with swift-r springs on both:
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing. Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissions
Very raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing.
Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissionsVery raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
I've had 4 AP1s and 1 AP2 over the past 12 years. For me the AP1 is more fun as a sports car. AP2 is good if you rarely redline and/or commute in your S.
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Originally Posted by goldenfri' timestamp='1429133371' post='23579246
I am currently the owner of a 02 AP1 and an 08 CR. They are surprisingly different even with very similar suspension specially when driven back to back. I've had CR suspension with swift-r springs on both:
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing. Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissions
Very raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing.
Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissionsVery raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
I've had 4 AP1s and 1 AP2 over the past 12 years. For me the AP1 is more fun as a sports car. AP2 is good if you rarely redline and/or commute in your S.
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Originally Posted by goldenfri' timestamp='1429133371' post='23579246
I am currently the owner of a 02 AP1 and an 08 CR. They are surprisingly different even with very similar suspension specially when driven back to back. I've had CR suspension with swift-r springs on both:
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing. Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissions
Very raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
02:
The seats are slimmer but you sit much lower. I prefer being lower.
No CDV and lighter flywheel, feels a lot better and no slipping clutch on fast shifts
Super long gearing.
Ap1 and Ap2 should really have the reverse transmissionsVery raw and unforgiving
08 CR
So so so, much faster and torque. Better gearing etc. so much faster
Also much more refined and quieter even with less sound deadening in the CR
VSA sucks, turn it off as soon as I get in the car.
Updated tach etc, its much brighter and ECU is much faster
I'm sure there is lots more but those are the major things off the top of my head.
I've had 4 AP1s and 1 AP2 over the past 12 years. For me the AP1 is more fun as a sports car. AP2 is good if you rarely redline and/or commute in your S.
