I might be running them next saturday in Gainsville FL. If not it will be sebring december 22.... they do look and feel stouter than the billet ones.

 

Sounds pretty discouraging. However, I'll go through the motions just as well.

Schatten,

Looking at prices, the D503 pads are no more expensive than the D829s. There's alot more flavors to pick from as well. There are NSX owners selling their calipers for as little as $200, averaging around $400. You said it... I didn't... never committed that fallacy.

Airsport,

Thanks. I really appreciate the help . Again, you're right. D504s for the rear and vented at that! Smells like a good recipe for swapping ends. Anyways, just considering the fronts, a bit more front bias is good. That is, if the brakes can take the abuse.

New Wilwood caliper? What's the scoop. I read your post about the Wilwood brake. You dealt quite a bit of punishment to those brakes. Is that the reason for the new caliper? Sounds like they owe you for R&D.

docofmind,

As I said, they're cheap used. I thought about those wheel offsets. Oh well. Nothing definite tho'. There's still hope.

 

Waste of time. On the Prelude it's a waste of money, there are cheaper solutions that provide the same if not more stopping power.

The S2000 has larger rotors (width and dia. IIRC) and I think more pad area than the Prelude. Not by much, but I think it would seriously mitigate the gains going to NSX hardware.

My guess would be that Honda shares the same bracket between the S2k and it's larger-brake siblings (NSX and Legend GS) or at least the bolt pattern. Other than the possibility of shims, my guess is that the hardware can be swapped among several Hondas.

I think it's a waste of time and probably even money, though, considering the relative rarity and expense of the NSX hardware. There's really no benefit to dual pistons unless the area under the pistons is increased, and from what I recall of the Prelude/NSX/GS calipers it isn't much.

The AEM big brake upgrade available for most Hondas should fit the S2k (if they don't already have an application for it). You'd probably stand to gain more in stopping power through that than with the NSX calipers.

 

The new wilwood is forged and really looks like it will hold up, and have made a change to the bleeder attachment. The old style bleeder 1/8" thread went right into the aluminum and was worriesome to tighten without stripping the threads The new one has a larger fitting (1/4"?) fitted into the caliper then the small bleeder... So it looks like you won't be ruining a caliper if you strip the bleeder threads.

Also if you have to safety wire the aluminum hat to the steel rotors because of dissimilar expantion I would see a need to do somthing similar with the old style bleeders.

IMO
For the money the wilwood kit is a winner.

 

what new wilwood????? pics??????

sherwin, is that what i got???

i got mine quite a while ago....

 

Marcucci,

Reads like the Prelude crowd isn't to thrilled about the conversion. I gather you acquired the information first hand? Oh well, not exactly what I wanted to hear but, so be it...

Aside from Rev and I, nobody thinks its a worthwhile endeavor. Anybody else care to comment?


Airsport,

Looking forward to your review.

 

TKG - its just a difference between billet and forged calipers. the forged hold up in hard track use. although I haven't had a lick of a problem yet, I'm sure that 1 out of 20 very experienced drivers might be able to tell the difference after a 30 minute session.

The bleeder valve, I can't stand it, but swapped em out with speed bleeders, which I offer with the kits.

 

I had a '99 that I traded in for the S2k, and had a '97 before that, have an '88 in the garage... am somewhat in touch with the Prelude community.

I know one person each who has done the "upgrade" to a 4th gen and 5th gen Prelude. The 4G went straight from non-VTEC calipers (tiny) to the NSX ones, and noticed a huge gain... but everyone who swaps from non-VTEC to VTEC notices a huge gain (kind of muddies the waters). All the reviews I've read on the web report minimal gains going to the NSX calipers, which I think is very offset by the fact that it's hard to get a set for under $600.

The 5g upgrade was from 5g stock calipers to Legend GS calipers which (from what I understand) are dimensionally the same as the NSX ones, but I believe are not Al. He noticed NO difference in braking performance with them.

My comments are more cost/performance based than they are anything else. I'm sure there might be a measureable gain, but I don't think it's worth it; Wilwood, the AEM kit, or just about anything else out there would be more bang for the buck. I'm also one who doesn't have gross amounts of disposable income, though, so I have to be careful what I spend my cash on!!!

I am as interested to see what happens so I can see what the S2k calipers will fit on. For instance, the '88 Prelude I have in the garage shares the same lug pattern and caliper with the '90-'93 Integra. I would like to see what else it shares it with, and what else the 5g Prelude shares it's brakes with, just to help the Honda community in general.

If you do upgrade your calipers, I will gladly buy your stockers off of you.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TKG 26
[B]what new wilwood?????

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by docofmind
[B]

As everyone has already mentioned, the new caliper is forged as oppossed to the old billet style, basically producing a more rigid and stable piece under load.