The Killer Angels
Originally Posted by ralper,Sep 8 2006, 08:04 PM
I disagree. I think Lee's mind was made up before the battle even started. I think the past victories and being so far north was a bit intoxicating.
Remember, for the most part all of the victories that you mention were won using defensive tactics. This will be a far different battle for the Confederate troops. I would have thought that a clear thinking Lee would have recognized that.
How does Lee plan to win at Gettysburg day 2?
If Lee's mind was made up, why is he still confering with his field commanders, asking them what their thoughts were?
Originally Posted by Vitito,Sep 8 2006, 07:20 PM
If Lee's mind was made up, why is he still confering with his field commanders, asking them what their thoughts were?
Originally Posted by Vitito,Sep 8 2006, 06:42 PM
General Warren was Meade's Chief Engineer, sent, I think, to scope out the ground, and make recommendations to HQ as to his assessment as to whether fight at Gettysburg, or pull back troops to Pipe Creek. ....
Originally Posted by Vitito,Sep 8 2006, 08:13 PM
If he doesn't know the ground, then why attack?
He needed to strike a decisive blow now or face the inevitable weight of superior arms and numbers.
Originally Posted by ralper,Sep 8 2006, 08:17 PM
That is the question of the hour.
Originally Posted by raymo19,Sep 8 2006, 07:31 PM
Still cavalry blind for the most part and he'd never been there before. Lee was in the same state of mind as Yamamoto (sp?) nearly a century later.
He needed to strike a decisive blow now or face the inevitable weight of superior arms and numbers.
He needed to strike a decisive blow now or face the inevitable weight of superior arms and numbers.
Originally Posted by ralper,Sep 8 2006, 08:35 PM
I don't know. I think that Lee, much like Yamamoto, thought his army could do anything. And I think he that the northern army couldn't do anything.
Perhaps this is a discussion better left to the conclusion of this book as well.
It's going to be a doozy.
Originally Posted by raymo19,Sep 8 2006, 08:31 PM
Still cavalry blind for the most part and he'd never been there before. Lee was in the same state of mind as Yamamoto (sp?) nearly a century later.
He needed to strike a decisive blow now or face the inevitable weight of superior arms and numbers.
He needed to strike a decisive blow now or face the inevitable weight of superior arms and numbers.
Interesting, and ironic analogy with Yamamoto.
Yamamoto: at Pearl Harbor, we all know the end results.
Yamamoto: at Midway, Incredible Victory for the U.S. NAVY (I'm a little biased here)
At Midway, though significantly outnumbered, a smaller U.S. Fleet sunk 4 Japanese carriers, and changed the tide of the war. Why? We were audacious, desperate, and also hungry to strike back hard at the Japanese for Pearl Harbor and such. Combine that with much luck, in that our planes found the Japanese fleet first, throw in some indecision on the part of the Japanese leadership, arm planes with torpedoes/bombs/torppedoes, and back again (keep them on the flight deck vice in the air) and we win.
At the end of day 1, which force, Union or Confederate, has the audacious reputation? Which force has the reputation for poor/indecisive leadership? Which force runs away from the battlefield? Which force has the leaders that "out general" the other?









