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From: Survivalist enclave
See if i was buying electric, it'd be comfort first and fun second - Kia E-Niro wins hands down.
Kia e-Niro key facts
Official range (WLTP)282 miles
What Car? Real Range253 miles
Top speed104mph
0-60mph6.9sec
But a price of almost £37k. You need to be saving a **** ton of money to make the purchase cost palatable. Unless you lease it at which point who gives a **** about what it's worth after 2 or 3 years. Equally, as a second hand buy it'll stink because people would rather lease it new than pay for old hat tech.
A computer year is 90 days ( or was the last time i worked it out) in terms of progress, E cars are going to age at about the same rate i'd guess.
Kia e-Niro key facts
Official range (WLTP)282 miles
What Car? Real Range253 miles
Top speed104mph
0-60mph6.9sec
But a price of almost £37k. You need to be saving a **** ton of money to make the purchase cost palatable. Unless you lease it at which point who gives a **** about what it's worth after 2 or 3 years. Equally, as a second hand buy it'll stink because people would rather lease it new than pay for old hat tech.
A computer year is 90 days ( or was the last time i worked it out) in terms of progress, E cars are going to age at about the same rate i'd guess.
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Joined: May 2002
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From: Survivalist enclave
See if i was buying electric, it'd be comfort first and fun second - Kia E-Niro wins hands down.
Kia e-Niro key facts
Official range (WLTP)282 miles
What Car? Real Range253 miles
Top speed104mph
0-60mph6.9sec
But a price of almost £37k. You need to be saving a **** ton of money to make the purchase cost palatable. Unless you lease it at which point who gives a **** about what it's worth after 2 or 3 years. Equally, as a second hand buy it'll stink because people would rather lease it new than pay for old hat tech.
A computer year is 90 days ( or was the last time i worked it out) in terms of progress, E cars are going to age at about the same rate i'd guess.
Kia e-Niro key facts
Official range (WLTP)282 miles
What Car? Real Range253 miles
Top speed104mph
0-60mph6.9sec
But a price of almost £37k. You need to be saving a **** ton of money to make the purchase cost palatable. Unless you lease it at which point who gives a **** about what it's worth after 2 or 3 years. Equally, as a second hand buy it'll stink because people would rather lease it new than pay for old hat tech.
A computer year is 90 days ( or was the last time i worked it out) in terms of progress, E cars are going to age at about the same rate i'd guess.
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From: Nottingham
Be interesting to see what the E costs
say its £30k and the Festa is 20 (assumed the cheapest model there, the more pricey one is 26k!)
the E has a 35kwh battery and 125 mile range
lets assume charging is 90pc efficient so 39kwh to charge.. at 12p thats £4.66 (its actually more efficient i believe)
80 charges gets you 10k miles
And costs £372
petrol is 130p a litre
5.90 for a gallon
40.4 mpg combined on that 3 banger
247 gallons per 10k or
£1457
so each 10k saves you £1085
tax another 145
servicing more pricey in the fiesta
so it might cost you 1500 quid more to run the festa.. pays off pretty quick that price difference, especially if you benchmark vs the 26k one
and a harsh riding family car, been there, got the badge
doesnt mean i hate ICE.. i have a few still
say its £30k and the Festa is 20 (assumed the cheapest model there, the more pricey one is 26k!)
the E has a 35kwh battery and 125 mile range
lets assume charging is 90pc efficient so 39kwh to charge.. at 12p thats £4.66 (its actually more efficient i believe)
80 charges gets you 10k miles
And costs £372
petrol is 130p a litre
5.90 for a gallon
40.4 mpg combined on that 3 banger
247 gallons per 10k or
£1457
so each 10k saves you £1085
tax another 145
servicing more pricey in the fiesta
so it might cost you 1500 quid more to run the festa.. pays off pretty quick that price difference, especially if you benchmark vs the 26k one
and a harsh riding family car, been there, got the badge
doesnt mean i hate ICE.. i have a few still
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From: Nottingham
but its a piffling comparison vs a 2yo car or something.. for less than a new Fiesta ST you can buy my (old!) 414bhp V8 M3.. that's 5 more cylinders and double the power and much better noise, much higher bills too! haha. 18mpg avg and similar speed.
be interesting to see the depreciation. the teslas currently do ok
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I think we view this from the same angle, just with different disposable income levels. Currently ... ( you joker ) they do but they will fall from favour like a massive unwanted stone as soon as perception changes or the next new thing comes along.
Our power network will simply not cope with the drain if this stuff goes mainstream.
) they do but they will fall from favour like a massive unwanted stone as soon as perception changes or the next new thing comes along.Our power network will simply not cope with the drain if this stuff goes mainstream.
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From: Nottingham
I think we view this from the same angle, just with different disposable income levels. Currently ... ( you joker ) they do but they will fall from favour like a massive unwanted stone as soon as perception changes or the next new thing comes along.
Our power network will simply not cope with the drain if this stuff goes mainstream.
) they do but they will fall from favour like a massive unwanted stone as soon as perception changes or the next new thing comes along.Our power network will simply not cope with the drain if this stuff goes mainstream.
i’d enjoy an ST more but its not about that for this car, its for lugging the kid round and having zero emissions is attractive, new tech is attractive, the thought that has gone into the car i like.. as you know you find a lot more fun on your bike than any car
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From: Hertford
The S/H market for EVs will be interesting. They're novel ATM so generally seem to hold value.
But buying an obsolete one with a tired battery and having the latter refurbed might be an interesting proposition.
My client plans to run his Leaf into the road and repair or replace the battery when required.
Then again, Gen-Z has been fully indoctrinated by this sort of stuff (Greta Garbage?), so the demand for Honda es (that looks incorrect; Honda MDMAs) as learner cars might be very strong and SUVs might be trash - TFFT!.
But buying an obsolete one with a tired battery and having the latter refurbed might be an interesting proposition.
My client plans to run his Leaf into the road and repair or replace the battery when required.
Then again, Gen-Z has been fully indoctrinated by this sort of stuff (Greta Garbage?), so the demand for Honda es (that looks incorrect; Honda MDMAs) as learner cars might be very strong and SUVs might be trash - TFFT!.
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From: Nottingham
Honda’s drug peddling continues
Honda Cars
SUVs i just dont get, they are tanks and everything about them is anti driving, heavy, cumbersome, shyte.
if the E is what it takes to get me out of a kumqat then i’ll have 2 please.. failing that a bag of Es.
Honda Cars
SUVs i just dont get, they are tanks and everything about them is anti driving, heavy, cumbersome, shyte.
if the E is what it takes to get me out of a kumqat then i’ll have 2 please
.. failing that a bag of Es.
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Disagree to some extent - whilst the Sportage we had in the US of A a couple of years back was not what i'd call sporty, it wasn't a dull slouch either. Nor is the current Mazda CX-5, test drive one and for the size it is, it rides AND handles very nicely.
The i3 we have as our company car however does not. It's the 'sporty' model with the range extender engine but it rides like wooden wheels on marbles. I think a horse and cart would be a more plush experience.
But the main issue with driving is doing the kind that you get enjoyment out of and whilst the Fiesta is a fun place to be, most of the roads, most of the time are not. At which point I'd rather be insulated and isolated from it.
So maybe it's best to have a Monaro and work from home and only do the kind of driving that makes smile when no one else is using the roads.
The i3 we have as our company car however does not. It's the 'sporty' model with the range extender engine but it rides like wooden wheels on marbles. I think a horse and cart would be a more plush experience.
But the main issue with driving is doing the kind that you get enjoyment out of and whilst the Fiesta is a fun place to be, most of the roads, most of the time are not. At which point I'd rather be insulated and isolated from it.
So maybe it's best to have a Monaro and work from home and only do the kind of driving that makes smile when no one else is using the roads.