another blown 2nd gear thread
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From: greenville sc
I think we may be looking for the white whale here fella's. There is no unbreakable trans or rear differential, just like there's no bulletproof motor. If you punish a car on the street, or at the strip, your gonna be rebuilding your driveline regularly. I built the trans in my 95 cobra 4 times in 40k miles and the second trip to the strip with slicks I snapped an axle on the 8.8 rear. Yes you can get stronger parts, but in time they too will fail. Ckit has it right. If your gonna punish it with big power, your gonna need to spend big money. If your a weekend warrior like myself, drive it like you stole it,and just rebuild it when it breaks. Its gonna break, it inevitable. Supra trans and 8.8s are nice, but they break too. In my rock crawling days we would snap 8.8 axles like toothpicks,and my brothers mud truck can grenade a 2.5 ton rockwell with ease. Don't fear the second gear, just keep a spare ready to go.
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So what people are saying is that most people own dyno queens with boost limited tunes at street legal speeds.... 
We really need a better tranny solution for this car. Currently, I think the Full Blown Supra tranny and Ford rear are musts if you're going to make a balanced performer.
It'd be interesting to see what people's "areas under the curve" are from 0-60 mph when you make limited boost through 1st and 2nd.
I wouldn't use a scalpel to cut firewood.
I wouldn't use a chainsaw to shave my face.
Right tool for the right job, gentlemen.
That's my $0.02.
If I had it to do over again, I'd get a used Cayman S or 911 that makes less power on a dyno, but is well balanced for what I'm going to use it for 99% of the time.
That being said, "my car f'in ROCKS" right now.
We really need a better tranny solution for this car. Currently, I think the Full Blown Supra tranny and Ford rear are musts if you're going to make a balanced performer.
It'd be interesting to see what people's "areas under the curve" are from 0-60 mph when you make limited boost through 1st and 2nd.
I wouldn't use a scalpel to cut firewood.
I wouldn't use a chainsaw to shave my face.
Right tool for the right job, gentlemen.
That's my $0.02.
If I had it to do over again, I'd get a used Cayman S or 911 that makes less power on a dyno, but is well balanced for what I'm going to use it for 99% of the time.
That being said, "my car f'in ROCKS" right now.
I agree we need a better tranny and diff solution that does not cost an arm and a leg, but unfortunatly that is not the case with this car. I have enough power under the curve to race a jeep str8 4 wheel drive from the line and slightly pull him in 2nd and waste him from 3rd up. If I had full boost I would be spinning the tires badly, just like a Z06 would full throttle from the line vs an srt8. I am using a scapel in first and second and a chainsaw from 3rd gear on. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
I am making less power in lower gears like your used Cayman S because its enough to waste most people from zero to sixty
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Not only do you have "forward," but downward and side to side. You get G-forces flying, but the rapid transitions... that's what's exciting about autocross and road racing.
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Originally Posted by CKit' timestamp='1328929097' post='21404167
So what people are saying is that most people own dyno queens with boost limited tunes at street legal speeds....
We really need a better tranny solution for this car. Currently, I think the Full Blown Supra tranny and Ford rear are musts if you're going to make a balanced performer.
It'd be interesting to see what people's "areas under the curve" are from 0-60 mph when you make limited boost through 1st and 2nd.
I wouldn't use a scalpel to cut firewood.
I wouldn't use a chainsaw to shave my face.
Right tool for the right job, gentlemen.
That's my $0.02.
If I had it to do over again, I'd get a used Cayman S or 911 that makes less power on a dyno, but is well balanced for what I'm going to use it for 99% of the time.
That being said, "my car f'in ROCKS" right now.
We really need a better tranny solution for this car. Currently, I think the Full Blown Supra tranny and Ford rear are musts if you're going to make a balanced performer.
It'd be interesting to see what people's "areas under the curve" are from 0-60 mph when you make limited boost through 1st and 2nd.
I wouldn't use a scalpel to cut firewood.
I wouldn't use a chainsaw to shave my face.
Right tool for the right job, gentlemen.
That's my $0.02.
If I had it to do over again, I'd get a used Cayman S or 911 that makes less power on a dyno, but is well balanced for what I'm going to use it for 99% of the time.
That being said, "my car f'in ROCKS" right now.
I agree we need a better tranny and diff solution that does not cost an arm and a leg, but unfortunatly that is not the case with this car. I have enough power under the curve to race a jeep str8 4 wheel drive from the line and slightly pull him in 2nd and waste him from 3rd up. If I had full boost I would be spinning the tires badly, just like a Z06 would full throttle from the line vs an srt8. I am using a scapel in first and second and a chainsaw from 3rd gear on. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
I am making less power in lower gears like your used Cayman S because its enough to waste most people from zero to sixty
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Using a scapel is like giving away the race to the opponent or never have the chance to put down a good 0-60 time, never have full use for the expensive sticky tires.
The Supra tranny is probably the best solution for us since it can handle both the power and rpm but the price tag on that gearbox wont make anyone happy.
Here´s how I´ve done over the years, not Honda but still RWD and in need of a better gearbox. (Prices may be a bit off since I live in another country)
* 5-speed ZF gearbox from BMW 328 or M3, 6-speed from 330 or M3. $300-700.
* Adapter plate. $300.
* Clutch. $500 and up.
* Drive shaft, BMW and Honda welded together and balanced. $250
* Modify the length of the shifter, cut and weld. $20
* Modify the tranny mount, weld or use a metal plate. $20
Most of the times you can use the BMW clutch slave cylinder and just connect it to you OEM line.
This set up would be cheaper and easier to find, my friend use the 5-speed in his 700hp/600ft/lbs M3 Turbo and abuses it to death, only killing the drive shaft, they break at the middle.
The fun part is the size, soooooo tiny and easy to fit.
If I lived in the US and had a water jet cutter I would make this kit as a stage 1 to the Supra Stage 2.
The Supra tranny is probably the best solution for us since it can handle both the power and rpm but the price tag on that gearbox wont make anyone happy.
Here´s how I´ve done over the years, not Honda but still RWD and in need of a better gearbox. (Prices may be a bit off since I live in another country)
* 5-speed ZF gearbox from BMW 328 or M3, 6-speed from 330 or M3. $300-700.
* Adapter plate. $300.
* Clutch. $500 and up.
* Drive shaft, BMW and Honda welded together and balanced. $250
* Modify the length of the shifter, cut and weld. $20
* Modify the tranny mount, weld or use a metal plate. $20
Most of the times you can use the BMW clutch slave cylinder and just connect it to you OEM line.
This set up would be cheaper and easier to find, my friend use the 5-speed in his 700hp/600ft/lbs M3 Turbo and abuses it to death, only killing the drive shaft, they break at the middle.
The fun part is the size, soooooo tiny and easy to fit.
If I lived in the US and had a water jet cutter I would make this kit as a stage 1 to the Supra Stage 2.
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From: New Jersey
Originally Posted by JoeyBalls' timestamp='1328930406' post='21404208
Yea, you make some good points, but it starts slowly, for me it was "just an exhuast", then a Greddy Kit, now im 600 +. A used Caymen S sounds as exciting as a 400lb Stripper with AIDS..............
Not only do you have "forward," but downward and side to side. You get G-forces flying, but the rapid transitions... that's what's exciting about autocross and road racing.
I have no doubt the Cayman is an awesome car for road racing, I just prefer the S2000. I have never road raced. I have been right seat in a Viper ACR around Thunderhill in Milville, NJ. I don't think I have ever been more impressed/scared my entire life. I could not believe what that car was capable of, it was unreal. I would love to road race the S2000, but unfortunately I went overboard with power. It's sad that a good driver would lap me in a stock S2000 around a road coarse, I have no doubt. I remember the days of driving the S2000 hard when it was stock, it was a lot of fun and I was able to learn, sadly at 600HP there is not a lot of room for error (for un an skilled driver like me.
Anyway, If I could do it over again, I would go S/C, or much more milder turbo, suspension, R-compund tires and many track days. I love having myh Turbo S, but I hate not knowing how to drive it. I would love to go to track days on low boost, but I'm not sure if the car would hold up....................either way, I hate haveing a dyno queen and only being able to drive it hard in a straight line
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I have no doubt the Cayman is an awesome car for road racing, I just prefer the S2000. I have never road raced. I have been right seat in a Viper ACR around Thunderhill in Milville, NJ. I don't think I have ever been more impressed/scared my entire life. I could not believe what that car was capable of, it was unreal. I would love to road race the S2000, but unfortunately I went overboard with power. It's sad that a good driver would lap me in a stock S2000 around a road coarse, I have no doubt. I remember the days of driving the S2000 hard when it was stock, it was a lot of fun and I was able to learn, sadly at 600HP there is not a lot of room for error (for un an skilled driver like me.
Anyway, If I could do it over again, I would go S/C, or much more milder turbo, suspension, R-compund tires and many track days. I love having myh Turbo S, but I hate not knowing how to drive it. I would love to go to track days on low boost, but I'm not sure if the car would hold up....................either way, I hate haveing a dyno queen and only being able to drive it hard in a straight line
Anyway, If I could do it over again, I would go S/C, or much more milder turbo, suspension, R-compund tires and many track days. I love having myh Turbo S, but I hate not knowing how to drive it. I would love to go to track days on low boost, but I'm not sure if the car would hold up....................either way, I hate haveing a dyno queen and only being able to drive it hard in a straight line
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I have no doubt the Cayman is an awesome car for road racing, I just prefer the S2000. I have never road raced. I have been right seat in a Viper ACR around Thunderhill in Milville, NJ. I don't think I have ever been more impressed/scared my entire life. I could not believe what that car was capable of, it was unreal. I would love to road race the S2000, but unfortunately I went overboard with power. It's sad that a good driver would lap me in a stock S2000 around a road coarse, I have no doubt. I remember the days of driving the S2000 hard when it was stock, it was a lot of fun and I was able to learn, sadly at 600HP there is not a lot of room for error (for un an skilled driver like me.
Anyway, If I could do it over again, I would go S/C, or much more milder turbo, suspension, R-compund tires and many track days. I love having myh Turbo S, but I hate not knowing how to drive it. I would love to go to track days on low boost, but I'm not sure if the car would hold up....................either way, I hate haveing a dyno queen and only being able to drive it hard in a straight line
Anyway, If I could do it over again, I would go S/C, or much more milder turbo, suspension, R-compund tires and many track days. I love having myh Turbo S, but I hate not knowing how to drive it. I would love to go to track days on low boost, but I'm not sure if the car would hold up....................either way, I hate haveing a dyno queen and only being able to drive it hard in a straight line
Our car was supercharged and then blew a motor at Road America. During the two years when the car was down getting a number of upgrades, we pulled the CR into autocross duty. Also did some ChumpCar races wheel to wheel. Had so much fun that we bought a road racing caged Civic for club racing. The Civic was $10k with extra wheels, brakes and spares. So much better of an "investment" than pouring money into the turbo S2000 (which I did anyway, lol).
Seriously, save up and do a ChumpCar race. Or start autocrossing your daily driver. You'll get so much satisfaction knowing that you're developing skill rather than just making a faster car.
That's my $0.02. Fast cars are harder to learn how to drive on.
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^ yea, I am wondering if I can get away with road racing my car if I just leave it at 12 lbs, pending an oil cooler, suspension and brake pads Nice thing is I can run Q16 and just spray straight water to cool the intake. I think SoulCoughing said after three laps his Oil temp was still under control, He did blow 3rd gear 