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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Originally Posted by yamahaSHO' timestamp='1420313000' post='23454924
I have two good friends that purchased these pans and both have issues. The first one bought a pan and wasn't told that it was a non-A/C pan (last one on the buy that wasn't paid for). That's fine, he ended up selling and buying an A/C version. He then had leaking welds and another issue I can't remember. My second friend just sent me a video of a broken weld on the INSIDE of the pan where the tray is bolted down.

I don't get it... This is what Canton does. Why don't they do it well?
Disclaimer first: I helped get the pan to market, so obviously I'm biased.
Oh we know... All too much. This is not an issue of yours. This is a Canton quality issue upon other issues presented in this forum.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Errrr.....All on your friend for buying a pan without the AC bracket. It's optional. Did he ask for an exchange after he realized he purchased the wrong one?
Not entirely on him. He doesn't follow the boards nearly as much as either of us, so he called Canton. They mentioned they had one there that someone hadn't paid for, however, never mentioned anything about it having the A/C provision or not.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Second hand info that "he had leaky welds and another issue I can't remember" really isn't the fairest way to knock a product.
The pan leaked at a weld. It leaked at a weld. It shouldn't do this... It shouldn't do this. Forgive me for not remembering everything as this was quite some time ago. I tried to get him to post it here, but that would require he visits more often.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Second guy with a broken weld where the "tray" (what tray?) is bolted down....well, it's a custom made racing product and he used it on the track. Sh-t happens. Would anyone say that it's a weld that shouldn't have broken because it was a poor defective weld?
Hold on here bud... You're starting to get really annoying with your bias on a product you helped make happen, but you really do not have any other involvement past that. One of the whole reasons for this pan is because the welded in stock pans had a tendency to fail, right? Do we know what happens when they fail? Starvation.

What tray? Is this a serious question. There is a tray, plate, etc... (whatever you want to call it) that is bolted down into the pan. The same tray that had caused some people fitment issues clearing the pickup. There is a tab welded in the rear of the pan to which this tray bolts onto.

AND... Do not give "custom racing" an excuse to produce poor quality. Just because it is aftermarket, doesn't mean it gets a pass on working properly without failure (especially something purchased to mitigate problems). OEM had to think about a lot of things. Canton thinks about oil and their scope of products is limited because of this.


Originally Posted by davidc1
Anyway....more complete and descriptive info regarding these incidences before mentioning them would be good.
The pan leaked. A weld broke. Sounds scary enough to avoid an oil pan. However, if you'd like, I can post a video of the broken weld. I can probably get some pictures from the leaky weld. I can also take a picture with my pan and a straight edge across it. She ain't straight.

You don't work for this company, relax. You getting uptight about this is only going to be a shit-storm to which you cannot solve. How do you think I feel? I'm the one that pushed these guys to get them.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 02:29 PM
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if you search for reviews of the canton pans on other cars, you'll find similar complaints about pans not being straight etc
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by afzan
if you search for reviews of the canton pans on other cars, you'll find similar complaints about pans not being straight etc
So, yet another useless post.
Why useless? Because in order for this to have any relevance at all we would need to know:
* What were the problems you refer to.
* What was the % of pans with problems to the # of pans produced.
* were the problems at the beginning of the production and resolved by Canton.
* If Canton was made aware of any problems/issues and then resolved them then there is no problem. From what I've seen this is Cantons policy. They are honest and on top of issues.
* The post implies a high percentage of problems. In relation to what? Cantons compeditors?

Canton has been in the business of designing, fabricating and selling high preformance pans for high horsepower high end racing cars of all types for many years. I have friends who have been using Canton pan in pro racing for decades.

PLEASE think before you post up statements with negative impliations that have no basis in fact an no information to support your rediculous implied assumtions.
Can we please deal with facts, not assumptions and hearsay. I know that's likely a lot to ask on any forum but let's at least give it a fair concerted effort.

Ask yourself: have i done my due dilligence, does this make sense and do i personally know this to be true.

Otherwise you embarrass yourself to those who know the facts and much worse you misinform those who don't.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 06:23 PM
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Mine has been on the car for quite some time. No problems here.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 06:07 AM
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so i am the one who had the weld break. i can try and post the video up later ( or yamahasho can post it).

i had the pan on all season, it had a small leak that was getting progressively worse, so i removed it to re seal it. i put a straight edge on it and found where it was leaking to be a low spot. i hit it with a hammer to get it close to where it should be.

as far as the broken weld. on the back of the pan there is a welded tab that holds the slosh plate. the plate is bolted to this tab and the welds broke right in half. it is still bolted to the baffel area but now the plate is loose on the back side. luckily it was a clean break, what if it wasnt and i had a piece go into the pickup. i could have lost a motor from the part i installed to fix that very same issue.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
Originally Posted by davidc1' timestamp='1420322757' post='23455046
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1420313000' post='23454924']
I have two good friends that purchased these pans and both have issues. The first one bought a pan and wasn't told that it was a non-A/C pan (last one on the buy that wasn't paid for). That's fine, he ended up selling and buying an A/C version. He then had leaking welds and another issue I can't remember. My second friend just sent me a video of a broken weld on the INSIDE of the pan where the tray is bolted down.

I don't get it... This is what Canton does. Why don't they do it well?
Disclaimer first: I helped get the pan to market, so obviously I'm biased.
Oh we know... All too much. This is not an issue of yours. This is a Canton quality issue upon other issues presented in this forum.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Errrr.....All on your friend for buying a pan without the AC bracket. It's optional. Did he ask for an exchange after he realized he purchased the wrong one?
Not entirely on him. He doesn't follow the boards nearly as much as either of us, so he called Canton. They mentioned they had one there that someone hadn't paid for, however, never mentioned anything about it having the A/C provision or not.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Second hand info that "he had leaky welds and another issue I can't remember" really isn't the fairest way to knock a product.
The pan leaked at a weld. It leaked at a weld. It shouldn't do this... It shouldn't do this. Forgive me for not remembering everything as this was quite some time ago. I tried to get him to post it here, but that would require he visits more often.

Originally Posted by davidc1
Second guy with a broken weld where the "tray" (what tray?) is bolted down....well, it's a custom made racing product and he used it on the track. Sh-t happens. Would anyone say that it's a weld that shouldn't have broken because it was a poor defective weld?
Hold on here bud... You're starting to get really annoying with your bias on a product you helped make happen, but you really do not have any other involvement past that. One of the whole reasons for this pan is because the welded in stock pans had a tendency to fail, right? Do we know what happens when they fail? Starvation.

What tray? Is this a serious question. There is a tray, plate, etc... (whatever you want to call it) that is bolted down into the pan. The same tray that had caused some people fitment issues clearing the pickup. There is a tab welded in the rear of the pan to which this tray bolts onto.

AND... Do not give "custom racing" an excuse to produce poor quality. Just because it is aftermarket, doesn't mean it gets a pass on working properly without failure (especially something purchased to mitigate problems). OEM had to think about a lot of things. Canton thinks about oil and their scope of products is limited because of this.


Originally Posted by davidc1
Anyway....more complete and descriptive info regarding these incidences before mentioning them would be good.
The pan leaked. A weld broke. Sounds scary enough to avoid an oil pan. However, if you'd like, I can post a video of the broken weld. I can probably get some pictures from the leaky weld. I can also take a picture with my pan and a straight edge across it. She ain't straight.

You don't work for this company, relax. You getting uptight about this is only going to be a shit-storm to which you cannot solve. How do you think I feel? I'm the one that pushed these guys to get them.
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Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was: did he determine that the weld was defective? Or did the weld possibly break because he went off track and it hit something. I don't mean to imply that, but it wasn't mentioned in your post one way or the other...that's all I meant.

The "tray" is called an "anti-slosh" plate.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hondalovr13
so i am the one who had the weld break. i can try and post the video up later ( or yamahasho can post it).

i had the pan on all season, it had a small leak that was getting progressively worse, so i removed it to re seal it. i put a straight edge on it and found where it was leaking to be a low spot. i hit it with a hammer to get it close to where it should be.

as far as the broken weld. on the back of the pan there is a welded tab that holds the slosh plate. the plate is bolted to this tab and the welds broke right in half. it is still bolted to the baffel area but now the plate is loose on the back side. luckily it was a clean break, what if it wasnt and i had a piece go into the pickup. i could have lost a motor from the part i installed to fix that very same issue.
This is a HUGE issue. Can you post a picture of this? This is the exact issue that happened with baffles in the past. A weld broke and the plate covered an oil pickup and destroyed the motor.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was: did he determine that the weld was defective? Or did the weld possibly break because he went off track and it hit something. I don't mean to imply that, but it wasn't mentioned in your post one way or the other...that's all I meant.
I'll let Mike answer that now that he is posting on the subject. I don't think there would have been any surprise if it broke from scraping up the pan... Given the fact that the other pan I referenced leaked at a weld on a brand new pan, I really don't doubt it's the weld.


Originally Posted by davidc1
The "tray" is called an "anti-slosh" plate.
It's also a tray. It can be referred to with several different names. I don't really care what you want to call it, the name of which it is referred to is not the quality issue. If you did question what it was based on my wording, looking in the pan should easily make it apparent what I was talking about.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
Originally Posted by davidc1' timestamp='1420471689' post='23456599
Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was: did he determine that the weld was defective? Or did the weld possibly break because he went off track and it hit something. I don't mean to imply that, but it wasn't mentioned in your post one way or the other...that's all I meant.
I'll let Mike answer that now that he is posting on the subject. I don't think there would have been any surprise if it broke from scraping up the pan...


Originally Posted by davidc1
The "tray" is called an "anti-slosh" plate.
It's also a tray. It can be referred to with several different names. I don't really care what you want to call it, the name of which it is referred to is not the quality issue. If you did question what it was based on my wording, looking in the pan should easily make it apparent what I was talking about.
Don't get your panties in a bunch....lol. I was just mentioning what the proper name was.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 07:19 AM
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"Tray" is still not improper.

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