2007 Honda s2000 blown engine STOCK
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Originally Posted by castamir,Mar 14 2010, 12:54 PM
Kang,
I have read most of your replies in this thread and here is my response:
1) Even if the car was purchased "as is", the "as is" condition would not apply to you. Your State Lemon Law dictates that even if you have signed the paper work and contracts to agree to purchase the car "as is", the "as is" waiver would not be hold in court due to the following conditions.
- You only had posession of the car for 3 days or 100 miles.
- The car should still be in its factory warranty period. If the warranty was voided, the dealer must inform you about it during the trasnaction. This is especially true since you purchased the car from a Honda/Acura dealer.
- The car does not have salvage title, and the "as is" clause in the sales contract would not hold in court.
- An "as is" clause appearing on a sales contract for 2007 vehicle is extremely suspicious. The only reason for the dealer to put in the "as is" clause is that the car's warranty was voided. If you were not informed about the voided warranty, the "as is" condition does not apply to you.
The "as is" exemption would not hold due to the Lemon Law. The Lemon Law is to prevent sellers from KNOWINGLY selling defective vehicles to consumers and attempt to get away with it using the "as is" clause in the sales contract. And because you purchased this vehicle from a Honda/Acura Dealer, there is no way the dealer could get away from this "as is" clause if you were to take the dealer to court.
Let the dealer know that you are protected by the law. Let the dealer know that sales laws ALWAYS protect the consumers. Print a copy of the Lemon Laws to show to your dealer.
2) An over-revved motor will rarely seize. I have seen stock AP1 engines taken to 10,000rpm on downshifts in Japanese videos. The car still ran fine in other videos as well. But of course, your car is not an AP1, and the Japanese F20C may be somewhat different. But an over-revved engine should not simply seize.
Your problem sounds like a bottom-end issue, and as you have pointed out, it could have been caused by oil overfilling. But then, without seeing your engine, I CANNOT diagnose what your problem is. I can only guess from your posts.
3) Ask an S2000 or engine expert from S2ki to talk to the dealer with you. Come on guys, help a poor fellow out! This guy works at a bank and I fully understand what kind of stress Kang goes through!!!
Some people on here obviously know a thing or two about laws. Hopefully you can find an S2K expert that happens to know a bit of laws to go talk to the dealer with you.
There are ALOT of S2000 owners in Orange County on S2Ki. Please, go to the dealer with this guy! I would definitely go to the dealer with Kang to talk to those bastards if I were in California!!!
4) If you have a good driving record in the previous years, print your driving and insurance record to show to the dealer that you are a safe driver, and that over-revving is clearly out of the equation.
Let us know! Good luck dude.
I have read most of your replies in this thread and here is my response:
1) Even if the car was purchased "as is", the "as is" condition would not apply to you. Your State Lemon Law dictates that even if you have signed the paper work and contracts to agree to purchase the car "as is", the "as is" waiver would not be hold in court due to the following conditions.
- You only had posession of the car for 3 days or 100 miles.
- The car should still be in its factory warranty period. If the warranty was voided, the dealer must inform you about it during the trasnaction. This is especially true since you purchased the car from a Honda/Acura dealer.
- The car does not have salvage title, and the "as is" clause in the sales contract would not hold in court.
- An "as is" clause appearing on a sales contract for 2007 vehicle is extremely suspicious. The only reason for the dealer to put in the "as is" clause is that the car's warranty was voided. If you were not informed about the voided warranty, the "as is" condition does not apply to you.
The "as is" exemption would not hold due to the Lemon Law. The Lemon Law is to prevent sellers from KNOWINGLY selling defective vehicles to consumers and attempt to get away with it using the "as is" clause in the sales contract. And because you purchased this vehicle from a Honda/Acura Dealer, there is no way the dealer could get away from this "as is" clause if you were to take the dealer to court.
Let the dealer know that you are protected by the law. Let the dealer know that sales laws ALWAYS protect the consumers. Print a copy of the Lemon Laws to show to your dealer.
2) An over-revved motor will rarely seize. I have seen stock AP1 engines taken to 10,000rpm on downshifts in Japanese videos. The car still ran fine in other videos as well. But of course, your car is not an AP1, and the Japanese F20C may be somewhat different. But an over-revved engine should not simply seize.
Your problem sounds like a bottom-end issue, and as you have pointed out, it could have been caused by oil overfilling. But then, without seeing your engine, I CANNOT diagnose what your problem is. I can only guess from your posts.
3) Ask an S2000 or engine expert from S2ki to talk to the dealer with you. Come on guys, help a poor fellow out! This guy works at a bank and I fully understand what kind of stress Kang goes through!!!
Some people on here obviously know a thing or two about laws. Hopefully you can find an S2K expert that happens to know a bit of laws to go talk to the dealer with you.
There are ALOT of S2000 owners in Orange County on S2Ki. Please, go to the dealer with this guy! I would definitely go to the dealer with Kang to talk to those bastards if I were in California!!!
4) If you have a good driving record in the previous years, print your driving and insurance record to show to the dealer that you are a safe driver, and that over-revving is clearly out of the equation.
Let us know! Good luck dude.
take this man's advice. Engines on over-rev don't seize up. This is a bottom end lubrication issue, you didn't do anything wrong in 3 days time to contribute to a lubrication issue. They destroyed the evidence by taking out the oil. They have no proof to indicate an over-rev situation.
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If this makes you feel any better... 
I bought my '03 s2k with 32, 200 miles back in April 2008.
3 days later (or was it 2 days later?), less than 100 miles driven, my engine blows as well! It gave me signs such loud clicking/ticking noises from engine & stalling at random times during the 3 days I drove it. It finally died after I made a good 10 mile straight drive from work to home.
Realized the problem was low engine oil! Our engines burn oil just to let you know (if you have an ap1 which is '00-'03 but you don't). I was 19, young and unknowledgeable about the s2k. Stupid previous owner didn't know about it either, sold the car to me with low engine oil when "Oh I changed the oil at 30,000 miles".
When they inspected it, the oil had a lot of broken metal particles.
I just had another used ap1 engine (with similiar miles) replaced, cost around $3500 for the ap1 engine, the install, and other goodies (I got hooked up). I believe the ap2 engine might cost less due to that engine not nearly being blown as much as an ap1 engine. The only people that would replace an ap2 engine is if it was over-revved or had a broken spark plug drop into one of the cylinders, ap1 is with both of those problems+a burning engine oil problem.
In my honest opinion, if it does not go your way, there are a lot of wrecked s2k's lying around in junkyards (Hell people on this forum own a few of them, shop around). Buy the engine (is costs $2500-$3500 for 30k-35k for an ap1 engine, so an ap2 should cost around that/less than that?), have a shop install it for you (should cost around $500-$800 for install, anything more you're getting ripped off). Take into consideration that an ap2 engine is more new, so it chould cost more... but again the ap1 engine is more demanded to due having more owners replacing it/the 9k rev ability.
*I paid for everything, even the car myself and the repairs, so I didn't feel that bad because it was my own mess, plus i was young, better to learn young than to make the mistake old, when i have bigger problems beside a car*
Hope this makes your day feel better
I bought my '03 s2k with 32, 200 miles back in April 2008.
3 days later (or was it 2 days later?), less than 100 miles driven, my engine blows as well! It gave me signs such loud clicking/ticking noises from engine & stalling at random times during the 3 days I drove it. It finally died after I made a good 10 mile straight drive from work to home.
Realized the problem was low engine oil! Our engines burn oil just to let you know (if you have an ap1 which is '00-'03 but you don't). I was 19, young and unknowledgeable about the s2k. Stupid previous owner didn't know about it either, sold the car to me with low engine oil when "Oh I changed the oil at 30,000 miles".
When they inspected it, the oil had a lot of broken metal particles.
I just had another used ap1 engine (with similiar miles) replaced, cost around $3500 for the ap1 engine, the install, and other goodies (I got hooked up). I believe the ap2 engine might cost less due to that engine not nearly being blown as much as an ap1 engine. The only people that would replace an ap2 engine is if it was over-revved or had a broken spark plug drop into one of the cylinders, ap1 is with both of those problems+a burning engine oil problem.
In my honest opinion, if it does not go your way, there are a lot of wrecked s2k's lying around in junkyards (Hell people on this forum own a few of them, shop around). Buy the engine (is costs $2500-$3500 for 30k-35k for an ap1 engine, so an ap2 should cost around that/less than that?), have a shop install it for you (should cost around $500-$800 for install, anything more you're getting ripped off). Take into consideration that an ap2 engine is more new, so it chould cost more... but again the ap1 engine is more demanded to due having more owners replacing it/the 9k rev ability.
*I paid for everything, even the car myself and the repairs, so I didn't feel that bad because it was my own mess, plus i was young, better to learn young than to make the mistake old, when i have bigger problems beside a car*
Hope this makes your day feel better
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i wouldnt spend much time trying to diagnose it yourself, you could very well be just digging yourself into a deeper hole. by that i mean - they could point more fingers and youll be screwed.
if i were you - id get a lawyer and be done with it.
if i were you - id get a lawyer and be done with it.
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I cannot see where you have any fault here, i mean 3 days and 100 miles and the engine is toast!
yes an attorney might help, first i would try to negociate with the dealer and honda. my 04 does not and did not have an extended warranty past 36,000miles.
this sounds like they got the car in, chose not to warranty it in any way cause it was not cerfiable as an acura which they sell and just got rid of it...obviously it was not in good shape and someone should have caught it.
yes an attorney might help, first i would try to negociate with the dealer and honda. my 04 does not and did not have an extended warranty past 36,000miles.
this sounds like they got the car in, chose not to warranty it in any way cause it was not cerfiable as an acura which they sell and just got rid of it...obviously it was not in good shape and someone should have caught it.
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Originally Posted by hirev,Mar 15 2010, 04:02 PM
I cannot see where you have any fault here, i mean 3 days and 100 miles and the engine is toast!
Bought the car from Carmax in Dec '06 on a Sunday night. Tuesday night driving home doing 60 in 6th the car sputtered lost RPM then came backup. It was odd but the car continued to drive. Suddenly the car just died with a nasty clunking noise.
I was sitting in the middle of the road (it was two lanes and under construction so no where to park) try to fire up the car. It wouldn't turn on and sounded nasty. So I held down the clutch and the start button and the car fired up. It has a CEL and was smoking slightly but it ran. I drove it about 1/4 of a mile and the car died and it coasted and I was able to pull into a drive way to a development complex.
I get the car towed to Carmax and the next day I come to see it. The head tech starts asking me all these questions about double clutching, power shifting, etc. I told him what happened and he looked at me like I was full of shit. When he pulled the head he say it was total destruction in Cylinder 2 and that Carmax would not cover it since he determined I over revved the car. Thinking smart I went inside and sold the car back to Carmax. They have a 3-5 day buy back policy. I did this before the Tech had a chance to talk to the GM.
I went on and got an '02 w/ 18k and have been happy since. When I found this site and found out people have had tons of issues with the AP1's and cracked retainers it all made sense.
These idiots never checked anything and the previous owner probably dumped it first chance he got when he found out it had engine issues. I'm sure the same thing happened to you.
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Originally Posted by RedY2KS2k,Mar 14 2010, 03:37 PM
a pinko state like California probably has better consumer protection than most.
