Ahh, I see!!! Somehow I missed that piece of information!

Hmmm... that will be hard. I know for a fact that Honda usually goodwills warranty repairs even beyond the warranty period as long as the claims are reasonable.

I guess that will be the OP's only fighting chance.

Regardless, many S2K's here have over 120k miles on the clock on their earlier AP1's. It's sad to see such a new machine dying so soon.

 

Yeah 123k on mine. Near perfect compression test as of 200 miles ago.

Regardless of Honda warranty there has to be like a 30 day warranty from the dealership or something similar by law. I know I bought my S2000 from a used car dealer with no warranty. It still had a 30 day warranty by law they told me. That was in NJ.

 

There is no warranty on the car.

The dealership is not being cooperative as far as compensating me goes. They are still convinced that the motor was over-revved when clearly the damages on the car are not even close to the damages of an "over-revved" s2000.

My car is seized fellas, the crank will not move at all. I am pretty certain it is an oil problem. The only technical advice I'm asking from you fellas is to help me differentiate/justify the two.

Here's what I have concluded from my research.

If a motor is 'over-revved' then the car will still 'crank' and will even start or struggle to start. There will be a loud knocking or something from a rod being thrown around in the engine while driving.

If a motor is starved of oil/oil is low, the car will seize as in my case, and not even start. The starter will light up but the motor will not 'turn.'

I just need this justified; also today when we removed the oil pan, the #4 cylinder had metal shavings protruding from it and metal shavings in the pan. There was also oil coming out of it which I took a cup of to get analyzed.

 

I dont meen to sound like an arss but you bought a car that is meant to be driven and bought it as-is drove it for 3 days and did not play at all in it, you didnt check the fluids after buying it or look it over ( not that you would have known what your looking for by the statements "the 4 holes on top" and the 'crank' is(by the (i'm assuming)flywheel where the screw would not 'turn' tells me you dont know to much about cars and just because its a F22 doesnt meen its bullet proof. I am not in my car right now but i do believe that in 3 gear at 5-6k just before vtech i would be doing more than 30 mph. with that said I would get a lawyer to do what you can to cover your arss because it sounds like the engine has been abused at some point by whom not sure. GL and hope all goes well and then sell it and get a civic.

 

for all we know, if you over-revved it, you might not even know.

i mean, hell, you take a corner in neutral...

 

Don't bring information gathered here to a group of ASE certified technicians. They know damn well what they're looking at, and they can't believe for a second that over-revving was the cause. You're really at their mercy at this point.

The only thing that I can think is that you should consider abandoning this car. You said that technically it's not even yours yet. Check with your lawyer, and let the dealership know that you're ready to dissolve your relationship with them.

 

I know that MANY dealers offer a 30 Day Money Back Gurantee and/or 30 Day Mechanical Warranty on used cars they sell, even if the cars do not belong to the Dealer's Home Brand.

Many dealers offer benefits like those in order to stay competitive. I am not sure if there is any laws compelling dealers to do that. Dealers usually offer these 30 Day Warranty to competitive advantage. I'd check the Sales of Goods or Automotive Consumer Laws regarding that!!!

 

Are we talking about third-party ASE Certified Technicians that will go look at the car? Or are we talking about ASE Certified Technicians that are working for the Acura Dealer in question?

Either way, I believe that an independent technician should look at the car to mediate the conflict. Obviously, there's a conflict of interest between the OP and the dealer. The dealer sold the car "as is" and wants to bail out from any liability related to this car.

Oh, speaking of qualified technicians, not all the people working in the service departments of dealers are certified mechanics. Many of them are hired as trainees for $9/hr just to do simple work such as rotating wheels, replacing air filters, doing fluid changes, etc. There are no laws preventing dealers from hiring people with no mechanical knowledge to work on cars, and all the dealers require are one or two certified techs to manage the other non-certified workers that are working in the service department. Many of these trainees or non-certified workers may not even have finished high school or have received any mechanic training. Let's just hope that we are not having those kinds of people working on your S2000.

I am curious to know why the dealer is so certain that you have over-revved the car. The first thing a knowledgeable mechanic or enthusiast would do to diagnose for over-revving is to inspect the head and valvetrain. I have seen several local F22c or F20c handle up to 10k RPM with nothing but a modified valvetrain. The stock block, pistons, crank and bearings on these engines could handle 10k+ RPM without much issues.

Again, we need an indepedent mechanic to verify that the damage is truly caused by over-revving. Neither the seller nor the buyer would be able to make an unbiased verificationon of this case.

 

Didn't read the whole thread, but did you PM Pierceman. He is active here and his family owns several dealerships, including Acura Dealerships. They own Honda World, Rock Honda, and several others. Matt works at one of his family's Acura dealerships. Did you go to the dealership on Harbor?

 

^ A good Honda dealership in good standing with Honda Motor Co. has the authority to repair vehicles under goodwill at Honda's Warranty expense. I mean, come on... 1k mile is too insignificant for Honda to deny a reasonable warranty claim.