LOL this thread is retarded because every AP1 owner is always going to think that they are "FAR SUPERIOR" to any Ap2 or it's owner. Whatever. You can keep your Ap1 and i will keep my Ap2. I think the car has been improved except for a few things that are easily changed, such as the Ap1 slave cylinder which i already have. The way you feel connected to your F20c i feel connected to my F22c. And like skkpy said, "can't we all just get along?" The spirit of the s2000 will always be that of great friendships and a pure love of the car, whether it be an Ap1 or Ap2.

 

I happen to be one of the younger owners. I like the AP1 more, and that's just my opinion. Not because it's cheaper, faster or better looking. I bought it for the fact that I like the driving experience. I like the feedback of my Miata better, but like the chassis ridgidity of the S2K better. The list goes on. Everything has tradeoffs, that's life. I'm done with this elementary argument, I've done enough of explaining my opinion, just to explain my opinion... Wow. It's just an opinion.. To each their own fellas. Cheers! lmao I'm out.

 

Actually, area under the power curves is quite similar:


The AP2 isn't faster than the AP1. Published 0-60 and 1/4 mile times/speeds between the two are similar. AP2 makes slightly more power, AP1 has quite a bit more headroom above peak power rpm (which is an advantage, you end up higher on the curve after upshifting) and is slightly lighter-weight. AP2 would be faster with

The performance of the two cars in a straight line, autoX, and road course, is practically identical.

IMO, the cars are equally great, but personally, my ideal S2000 would be an AP1 with:
AP2 2.2 liter w/ 8600rpm rev limit
AP1 trans (w/ AP2 synchros?) and AP1 flywheel
AP2 rear suspension geometry
Stiffest springs and sway bars, CR dampers

 

Honda should have bumped the rated horsepower to 250 HP in the Ap2. That would've killed some of the debate and probably would have raised sales slightly.

 

The great thing about the 06+ AP2's is that w/o spending too much money, you can make a big difference in terms of performance. A flashpro and testpipe make a giant difference, for minimal $.

I can't believe so many people got in a pissing match over which is better. Come on guys.. they're much closer in comparison than many of you make it out to be. You certainly can't go wrong with either car.

 

Dude you posted a dyno plot of one car. There is an entire thread dedicated to dyno plot with hundreds of dynos of all ap1 or ap2 and clearly shows there's a huge difference. People just go check it out for your self, beware though ap1 owners you might end wanting to trade your car in after.....lol

 

i prefer the AP1 and sold my AP2 keeping my Older S. Its more fun

 

Thanks for proving my point. I said, "the AP2 has more power under the curve".

You posted a chart showing that it does have more power under the curve. Then, in your next sentence said, "Actually they are similar".

Yes, they are similar given one is a 2.2 and one is a 2.0 but which one has more power everywhere? Where you expecting a huge difference?

Don't try to pick apart my comments as not correct because I am right. The AP2 is a faster car all around. It has more torque and a more useful powerband, tighter gears, wider tires and a better suspension (stable rear) for less oversteer and increased corner speeds.

I'm done here if you still want to try and argue the facts.

I have an AP1 man, I am not biased about this. It's just the truth.

 

If you are going to edit my post for accuracy at least know what you are talking about.

If car A has equal (or very similar) weight to car B, and car A has more power under the curve, tigher gear ratios and more WHP, it will be faster in a straight line all else being equal. This is not negotiable.

What the hell does "it has a strong engine" mean anyway? Engines make torque. The car with more average HP and higher peak WHP will win every time.

I'm out of this thread, there is no hope here...

 

All in all I must agree with most of these comments , not meant at all to get anyone upset, its my opinion , which is all I'm sharing .... never would say one car is better than other ..any s2k is an unreal car and we are lucky to own one !! but if I lost my ap1 I'd def get another ap1 , I've driven quite a few s2ks ...as an owner of an ap1 for over 7yrs I can tell u for sure an ap2 could never replace my ap1. I like the sound of my car better, the look better, the ride better, the whole car imo is just so much more fun ..I'd never want a "dumbed down" version of what i consider to be one of the best cars ever made at any price .Just my thoughts not meant to incite anything that would "tear us apart" All s2ks are grt and the ppl that own them , make it that much better . I love our community and ALL S2000 s

plz remove the neg ...it was not meant to be at all ...i was joking ...gezzzz ..this site used to be fun ..whats going on now a days is