I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers)
subjective
AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light)
subjective
AP2 has waaay better interior, ap1 looks way dated
ehh not way better all it has is pretty much the updated center console other than that they are pretty similar.
AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster
subjective a lot of people like the ap1 cluster also
AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude
true
AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro.
again subjective see op first post
AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven)
ap1 vs ap2 is a drivers race imo
AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same.
true
AP2 has more torque
true but did you really buy thois car cause your torque hungry?
AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c
again subjective I personally prefer the ap1 no torque then burst at 6k
AP2 has a stronger diff
cmon you say it like its so much stronger, still just as prone to break.
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...
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I don't think its just 1k its the overall drive/feel of the car that pulls people towards it.

 

give some, take some. that's all there is to it between ap1 and ap2.

 

If you don't understand how the cars feel different, you never will. Enjoyable driving isn't all about tenths of a second on a lap time (which, can be made up by most drivers, regardless of the car), its about the feeling you get when you're driving whatever it was. I've had just as much fun driving my 90whp miata track car as I have my 200whp S2000.

 

I've always known better ..as said before my bro had ab ap2 ,....he always wanted to drive my car, this went on for yrs ...never was it the other way around ..nuff said ..9k all the way ..and yes 1,000 makes a world of difference ...like mine can and yours can't ...I'd go with the ..mine can and yours can't conversation, all day long ...life starts at 8k for and ap1 owner ...an ap2 owner just dreams of our cars ripping 9k shifts like it was meant to do from the start ... ...imo all s2000s are special cars ..just some more special than others ...ap1 owners know what that means , other may not

 

I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers)
AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light)
AP2 has waaay better interior, ap1 looks way dated
AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster
AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude
AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro.
AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven)
AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same.
AP2 has more torque
AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c
AP2 has a stronger diff
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...
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I don't think everyone thinks that the AP2 bumpers look better. I for one prefer the AP1 Rear over the AP2's anyday.

I'd agree on the lights, i think the AP2s do look more modern, but not better looking

The center console is good in the AP2 , personally got one myself, <3ing the two cup holders.

In regards to the cluster, if you're actually driving the car hard, i actually find having a bigger spread for tach is easier to read, but i guess it's something you can get used to.

Tranny wise, the AP2's tranny is nice. But some how i like notchier trannies like the ones in porsches <3 so so nice, feels like a bolt action rifle.

Laptimes really depend on the track and honestly mostly driver.

Yep F22C has better powerband for sure, as they say : no replacement for displacement.

Mind you everything you've said brings it back to exactly the point of many AP1 owners, the AP2 feels refined, constricted, quieter etc. Doesn't have that same raw feeling that brought so many people to the car in the first place.

Everything said and done, the car is virtually the same, with $ you can make either car feel like the other one. All and all it's really just a preference. Some people like the raw'er design and feel of the AP1 and some people like the more refined feel of the AP2
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Those are not such subjective. I have been on this forum since 2009 looking at s2000s and every Guy with an ap1 wants all those things I listed. There is an entire thread going on called the ap2 conversion where ap1 show off there new ap1 that they converted over to ap2. Look at the price of ap2 parts, why are they so desirable? Why do ap2 trannys go for 900 bucks when ap1 trannys go for 450? Apparently nobody wants them. Ap2 trannys are way better cause there geared better. They are faster in the 1/4 mile ap2 is better geared and makes more torque and whp.




THERE'S A REASON WHY AP1 ALWAYS CONVERT TO AP2 BUT NEVER DO YOU SEE AN AP2 GUY CONVERTING HIS CAR TO AP1

 

really ...look at the sales of the cars over the yrs ..the AP1 outsold the AP2 in all yrs ...so u may friend have the facts wrong ...an ap2 is just an ap1 wanna be ...lol ...plus my ap1 is not slow at all I've raced on the track many ap2s ...they all lost by mid way down the track ..everyone ...every time...so faster in the 1/4 mile is a drivers race at best ...and my car sounds better passing an ap2 ...way better imo ...look the car was meant to rev to 9k ...except here where it had to be "dumbed down" to increase sales ...which in turn it did the reverse ...ap1s outsold ap2s ..why ...we all know why ..at least at 9k its clear to us

 

The AP1 sold better than the AP2 because it was all new when it first was sold. Car sales typically work this way.

The refresh helps to retain sales, but cars never sell better in their later year model cycle, that's why most car companies refresh their model every 5 years. By 2006 the S2000 was getting long in the tooth and it's sales reflected this. Sales numbers had nothing to do with which car is "better".

Please quit bickering. If you guys bought your S2K to drag race you bought the wrong car. Want to drag race get a Vette or Mustang and the S2K doesn't have a chance.

Speaking only facts, a AP2 has more power under the curve, and more peak WHP than AP1's, so therefore all things being equal it's faster. Can't argue this.

These anectodal stories of an AP1 owner beating an AP2 owner can be chalked up to hundreds of factors involved in an isolated race but all else being equal the AP2's are a bit faster in a straight line and on circuit tracks as well.


I love my AP1 though! I would have landed an Ap2 but I didn't want to spend more to get it.

 

I disappointing to see a community tear itself apart because of a generation difference between the same model cars. It is also disappointing to see provocateurs in this thread trying to incite anger in fellow members.


@03_3g, the AP1 did out sell the AP2, but I would attribute to other reasons. One of the main reasons would be that many people would not buy a car that has been out for a few years. This can be noted in number of sales after 2006.

 

All in all I must agree with most of these comments , not meant at all to get anyone upset, its my opinion , which is all I'm sharing .... never would say one car is better than other ..any s2k is an unreal car and we are lucky to own one !! but if I lost my ap1 I'd def get another ap1 , I've driven quite a few s2ks ...as an owner of an ap1 for over 7yrs I can tell u for sure an ap2 could never replace my ap1. I like the sound of my car better, the look better, the ride better, the whole car imo is just so much more fun ..I'd never want a "dumbed down" version of what i consider to be one of the best cars ever made at any price .Just my thoughts not meant to incite anything that would "tear us apart" All s2ks are grt and the ppl that own them , make it that much better . I love our community and ALL S2000 s

 

I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers)

AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light)

AP2 has waaay better interior, ap1 looks way dated

AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster

AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude

AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro.

AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven)

AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same.

AP2 has more torque

AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c

AP2 has a stronger diff
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...
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Agree on all exept on your point that the Ap2 is more faster than the AP1. The differences are so small that only the driver makes the differences.

I have raced on local tracks with some ap2 friends and I'm more faster than them on my Ap1. I drove an Ap2 from one of my friends at the track. I did better than him but no better than me in my Ap1. Both stock.

Also I did notice the differences in torque when he was in front of me existing the corner but somehow I was making a solid better top speed at the end of teh straight. I don't know if there is any gear changes between Ap1 and Ap2.