^^This. Couldn't have said it better myself .

 

*you, *years
You need to learn how to use ellipsis. It's not a period that wants to bring its friends along to the end of the sentence, for every sentence.

And I'm pretty sure for virtually every car ever made (except limited production), as the model gets older, the sales dwindle.

Track /= Drag strip. And you just proven your point that a 1/4 mile drag race is a driver's race, thus rendering your implication that the AP1 is faster. There are far too many variables to definitively say the AP1 is always faster than an AP2, and vice versa.

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I don't think anyone is getting "butt-hurt" about anything. There are some people who use specific phrases to push buttons (ie. "dumbed-down", [shaking head]), but overall, it's a discussion of opinions... no one is more right than the other. There are SOME factual things that people are confusing with opinions, but that's the beauty of forums.

 

I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers) Every AP1? I like my AP1 bumpers. Better looking? Opinion

AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light) Better? Technically the AP1 projectors have a sharper, brighter cutoff line due to the clear lenses verses the AP2 fresnel lenses. Do the AP2 headlights look better? Matter of opinion as well.

AP2 has waaay better interior, AP1 looks way dated Opinion. Some prefer the more classic roadster look of the AP1 interior. 2 cupholders? Any real sports car doesn't need a single cup holder, they are only there because lazy consumers demand them.


AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster Opinion, Many AP2 owners prefer the larger tach of the Ap1 because it is significantly easier to see while racing due to it's size and centered orientation.

AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude. Larger wheels hurt perforamnce, more unsprung mass and the tires cost more in 17" so many AP2 owners are rocking all season tires that cost the same as good ultra high performance summer tires in 16" sizes. So you get a "nicer" looking wheel at a trade off because the market demanded it, all newer cars are coming stock in oversized wheels that do not help performance.

AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro. My Ap1 shifts smooth as silk and was named one of the best gear boxes in the world when the 2000 MY came out. I would prefer an AP2 transmission for it's gear ratios but it is only marginally better and not worth the upgrade cost.

AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven) Slightly, yes. Huge difference with equal drivers? no.

AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same. An extra 1,000 rpms in VTEC on the F20C between shift points helps compensates for the small power advantage.

AP2 has more torque. True. Minimal.

AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c. Undeniable. But once again it is only minimal, not a huge jump the market would expect from a car in production for 10 years.

AP2 has a stronger diff
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...
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^ The amount of opinion given as fact in this post is off the chart! lol. I love the AP1 and I love the AP2 but you make the AP1 sound like an abomination to the S2000 name! The Ap1 is the original S2000, the one Honda intended when they decided to build a true enthusiast's roadster. Competition and the demands of the market played a part in the AP2 cosmetic and drivetrain changes, the final production AP1's were near perfect the way Honda had envisioned the car.

 

^ well said.

 

^ The amount of opinion given as fact in this post is off the chart! lol. I love the AP1 and I love the AP2 but you make the AP1 sound like an abomination to the S2000 name! The Ap1 is the original S2000, the one Honda intended when they decided to build a true enthusiast's roadster. Competition and the demands of the market played a part in the AP2 cosmetic and drivetrain changes, the final production AP1's were near perfect the way Honda had envisioned the car.
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AP1 + 1,997 cc = S2000

AP2 + 2,157 cc S2000 but S2200....J/K

 

the amount of retardation in this thread is unbelievable.

 

Are you serious? A car with more whp and more torque more aggressive gearing would loose in a straight line? Lol I used to have an f20c in my car the f22c pulls harder trust me I have owned both. Dropping an ap2 tranny in an ap1 is like putting a set of 4.44 gears in an ap1, you will see the difference. Almost every person on this froum know ap2 are slightly faster in a straght line.


Also the retainers are better too. fyi

 

Within the past two years, I have owned both an AP2 and AP1. I had the AP2 first. In my opinion, the AP2 had some nice add-ons such as larger tires and more grip, better headlights, smoother tranny with better gear ratios.

But, none of these things have any impact on the parts of the driving experience I care about (expect maybe the larger tires), and driving experience is why I bought the s2000. Comparing the cars stock, whatever that is worth on this car forum, the ap1 is simply more rewarding, exciting, and challenging to drive. I think this is likely due to the quicker steering, raw suspension, and the 9k red-line. Obviously these cars can be modified to your personal preferences. But regardless of my opinion, the passion s2ki members have on this board is no doubt some indication of the cars greatness.

 

proven fact: ap1's cost less to purchase (same miles obv.): therefore they are more likely to be bought by younger owners that are less mature and start stupid threads like this... just sayin'

seriously though cant we all just get along

 

This thread got really dumb really fast.
haha
Where are the cr owners?