It will depend on starting speed and distance. From a 35mph roll AP1 would have the advantage, as the AP2 would either have to start below vtec in 2nd gear, or start in 1st and immmediately have to upshift, whereupon it would lose ~.35sec at best. 35 to 65mph, AP1 definitely wins, as AP2 requires another upshift to 3rd. Of course you can pick different start/finish speeds to give an advantage to either.

The AP2 has the power/weight advantage, ~14.9 lb/rwhp vs. ~15.2 lb/rwhp. But this is offset by its significantly lower rev-limit, landing you further down on the power curve in the next gear. So it doesn't *always* have the power/weight advantage.
In the end, they are for all practical purposes equal.

Increase the rev-limit on the AP2 to 8600rpm, and it has the advantage.

 

Dumbass? When you can't argue a point, I guess this is called for. Otherwise...
No kidding, AP2's make more peak power. My impression is it's generally ~195rwhp vs. 205rwhp. Slight power/weight advantage: AP2. BUT, not everywhere, not at every speed. There ARE speeds at which the AP1 has the power/weight advantage as the AP2's lack of rpm headroom above peak power forces it further down the power curve after upshifting.

AP1's turn similar 1/4mile times and speeds vs stock AP2 as well, not just 0-60.

You need to speak up a little, I'm slightly deaf in one ear.
I've seen enough to know that anecdotal "real world" results don't always square with car potential.
But anyway, run a roll race from 35 to 65. Given equal driving, starting at the same time, same shift times, the stock AP1 should win.

I can *barely* hear you, but I do know that 1/4 mile ET's are similar between the two. They're both ~14.0 @ 100mph cars. There are plenty of examples that are slower or faster for both of 'em. And above 101/102mph, won't the AP2 either have to cross the traps on the rev-limiter or suffer another upshift?

The two cars, stock v stock, are for most intents and purposes equivalent in terms of acceleration performance (and other performance parameters as well).

 

As a horse player times can be explained more definativly only by the finish line.. Two horses of the same class and equal winning abilities can run races at very different styles. Consider this:
6f Horse A: 22, 45, 110.0.
Horse B: 23, 46, 109.0.
Final time belongs t,o horse B but horse A will normally beat horse B because of the position of the finish line. In essence, time runs out for horse B.
The same thing happens in auto racing and particulary drag racing. The faster car may lose if he isn't just as fast or faster in the early parts of the race.

 

I don't take this video at face value. It would be like assuming everything Top Gear says is true. It is understood that the AP2 is faster than the AP1 in this video stock for stock. But you have to keep in mind, Tsuchiya is also the best driver on the show. Plus, Orido had a terrible start from the line. It's not that Orido is a bad driver, but I believe Tsuchiya is slightly better from what I gathered after watching all the Best Motoring seasons.

I also noticed that the "tuned" AP1 was considerably faster than both those cars... even if that tuned car was only "lightly" tuned according to them. Now, if they also put in a tuned AP2, do you think it would be much faster than the tuned AP1? I'm willing to wager that, (drivers being equal), the lap times would be almost identical.

While we're on the subject of Best Motoring, if you recall the Touge Monster was the Amuse AP1 S2000. It was the legendary Touge Monster crowned by the show. Credit should be given where credit is due. I'm not here to say the AP1 is better than the AP2, but many people here end up modifying and tuning their cars anyway so arguing stock for stock is a moot point for many. It minimizes the differences between the cars in performance, but the driving feel of the AP1 is always going to be there.

 

you would think after 6 pages of arguing the same points, people would give up.

man... you guys are persistent.
you should look for a career in the debt collection industry or be a lawyer.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQgk3voFkZg

 

Multiply it by about 10 since you posted.

 

lol ive raced lots of s2ks and the majority were ap2s i only lost to one and he had way more mods then me...

 

lol ive raced lots of s2ks and the majority were ap2s i only lost to one and he had way more mods then me...
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from a dig its dont count. There is driver error when racing from a dig. The olny time it count is from a roll both stock.