This has got to be the best line I've read in a while. Anyway, back to the story, come to think of it I've own my MY02 AP1 forever. Never had a chance to drive an AP2. I've driven my friend's MY00 numerous times, and I can tell you that the MY00 is definitely more raw and mine is more civilized. I think I am going to drive an AP2 to learn more about it. =)

 

Where did you pull the 50lb figure from? Personal opinion but that weight is very negligible - so much so that Wikipedia has the weight listed as the same for AP1 and AP2 (with the exception being the CR)

If you're going to track the car, it doesn't matter because you're going to be swapping out parts and doing weight reduction anyways.......

 

Hi. I have thousands upon thousands of miles between two 430 Scuderias on a race track, and maybe 100 miles on the street. I'll trust my experience.
Point is, the steering difference between the AP1 and AP2 isn't a game changer or enough to, realistically, change ones mind about choosing between the two gens. As MuffinMan keeps saying, all the changes that you would normally do to a tracked S2000, would negate all of those shortcomings the AP2 has, except the rev-limiter.
And if you stroll over to the Race forum, notice in the S2K challenge, AP2s must take points. These guys race stock, near stock, and modified S2000s against one another all the time. They must feel the AP2 has an advantage on a race track.

Stock mufflers are 65lbs. A single straight pipe is anywhere from 5-10lbs.
65lbs (old weight) - 10lbs (new weight) = 55lbs savings
Quoted curb weight difference of anywhere between 30lbs and 50lbs = close to 100lbs of difference in weight between AP1driver's curb weight vs a stock AP2.

 

Ap2 is faster on a track and in a straight line...end of story. If you want an ap1 you couldn't afford an ap2. I thought. We establish this way back when.

 

That's hilarious. The dumbest comment I've heard so far on this topic. I could buy 10 AP2s if I found it necessary. I
bought an AP1 for the reasons above, and test drove an
AP2 because I thought about BUYING ONE. Fanboys will
always defend what they drive, I understand, it's ok. I
guess I must be a fanboy of the AP1 huh, lmfao. I'll be sure to keep in mind next time I spend 100k+ on a car that I can't afford a 15-20k AP2....

 

I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers)

AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light)

AP2 has waaay better interior, ap1 looks way dated

AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster

AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude

AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro.

AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven)

AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same.

AP2 has more torque

AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c

AP2 has a stronger diff
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...

 

here is a good video for you to watch....remember this is an ap2 body with the f20c.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6uB4Hamilw

 

LOL at this topic and alot of these posts. I think it's funny that Ap1 owners always pull the "mine revs to 9k" line. If you look at a dyno of a stock F20c, They stop making power after 8400 rpm's. It's just like a little fudge room so it's easier to keep it in the power band. And yes it does have a lighter flywheel and a better steering ratio. But the only reason why people seem to think the Ap1 is so much more raw and hard to drive is because the rear suspension geometry wasn't quite right on lift causing oversteer as well as on many other scenario's. so i dont see how fixing the geometry to work better for the car on the Ap2 makes it less of a "drivers" car. And yes i have driven a few different Ap1's. I'm not going to say i hate it because i drive an Ap2. I just think it's ridiculous for Ap1 owners to think that they have the "cream of the crop," when they are both much more true driver's cars than most other cars on the road today.

 

I was joking about that part but it may be true for some. look at the ap2 vs ap2 comparison:


AP2 has better looking front and rear bumpers (reason why every ap1 is doing ap2 bumpers)
AP2 has better headlights and taillights(reason why all ap1 want ap2 light)
AP2 has waaay better interior, ap1 looks way dated
AP2 has a nicer/more modern looking cluster
AP2 has bigger/better looking wheel, forget those chessy little 16inch wheels look like there from a prelude
AP2 has a ten time better tranny, shit feels way smoother and has carbon syncro.
AP2 are faster on a track and on a 1/4 mile race....also trap higher speeds too(this has been proven)
AP2 have more whp. There has been dyno plot after dyno plot to prove that f22c put more whp down that the f20c even though they are rated about the same.
AP2 has more torque
AP2 has a better powerband and makes more power over the entire rpm range vs the f20c
AP2 has a stronger diff
should I keep going on?????Ap1 has a whoppin 1k over the rpms...
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I don't think everyone thinks that the AP2 bumpers look better. I for one prefer the AP1 Rear over the AP2's anyday.

I'd agree on the lights, i think the AP2s do look more modern, but not better looking

The center console is good in the AP2 , personally got one myself, <3ing the two cup holders.

In regards to the cluster, if you're actually driving the car hard, i actually find having a bigger spread for tach is easier to read, but i guess it's something you can get used to.

Tranny wise, the AP2's tranny is nice. But some how i like notchier trannies like the ones in porsches <3 so so nice, feels like a bolt action rifle.

Laptimes really depend on the track and honestly mostly driver.

Yep F22C has better powerband for sure, as they say : no replacement for displacement.

Mind you everything you've said brings it back to exactly the point of many AP1 owners, the AP2 feels refined, constricted, quieter etc. Doesn't have that same raw feeling that brought so many people to the car in the first place.

Everything said and done, the car is virtually the same, with $ you can make either car feel like the other one. All and all it's really just a preference. Some people like the raw'er design and feel of the AP1 and some people like the more refined feel of the AP2

 

lol ap1 owners express their opinion and all the ap2 guys get their panties in a bunch. Some people are gonna like the ap1 and vice versa. End of story.