S2ks are in trouble
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Originally Posted by Aramism,Nov 7 2008, 10:03 AM
i think most people are missing the OP point. he understands like all of you that the s2k is not about power. and that is not the lure of the car for people. he is simply stating that from a business standpoint and from an economic standpoint this car is terribly outdated thus reflecting is poor sales and limited production. at the same token honda realizes this that's why they still make very few of them. i think it is not their intention to have this car be a factor in their business model. they just make it for the sake of trying to squeeze out a couple of bucks from a model that was designed to be a 2-3 year thing almost 10 years ago. i'm sure they never thought it would still be in production nearly 10 years after its birth.
that being said, i think the op is understanding of this, and is just trying to say that instead of letting it die out with a few minor upgrades without having to change the chassis they could easily bring this car back to the same competitive status it was in when it first came out. i tend to a agree. while this is a modders car, if they were to give it just a bit more power and the option for a few upgraded luxury items like in the japanese models (navi, maybe better stock sound) i'm sure this car would do much much much well and again compete with bmws and porches as opposed to friggin chevys.
that being said, i think the op is understanding of this, and is just trying to say that instead of letting it die out with a few minor upgrades without having to change the chassis they could easily bring this car back to the same competitive status it was in when it first came out. i tend to a agree. while this is a modders car, if they were to give it just a bit more power and the option for a few upgraded luxury items like in the japanese models (navi, maybe better stock sound) i'm sure this car would do much much much well and again compete with bmws and porches as opposed to friggin chevys.
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Some of you guys make me laugh.
If a car-x beats car-y in a straight line, you turn the topic to twisties. When car-x beats/matchs car-y in the twisites, you turn the topic about something completely irrelevant [total driving experience, interior quality, gas mileage, hp/liter, if car-y had such and such ect ect ect]. But, when car-y comes out on top, you like to brag about the numbers.
If a car-x beats car-y in a straight line, you turn the topic to twisties. When car-x beats/matchs car-y in the twisites, you turn the topic about something completely irrelevant [total driving experience, interior quality, gas mileage, hp/liter, if car-y had such and such ect ect ect]. But, when car-y comes out on top, you like to brag about the numbers.
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Originally Posted by Lithium Lotus,Nov 7 2008, 05:18 PM
Some of you guys make me laugh.
If a car-x beats car-y in a straight line, you turn the topic to twisties. When car-x beats/matchs car-y in the twisites, you turn the topic about something completely irrelevant [total driving experience, interior quality, gas mileage, hp/liter, if car-y had such and such ect ect ect]. But, when car-y comes out on top, you like to brag about the numbers.
If a car-x beats car-y in a straight line, you turn the topic to twisties. When car-x beats/matchs car-y in the twisites, you turn the topic about something completely irrelevant [total driving experience, interior quality, gas mileage, hp/liter, if car-y had such and such ect ect ect]. But, when car-y comes out on top, you like to brag about the numbers.
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Originally Posted by Aramism,Nov 7 2008, 02:03 PM
i think most people are missing the OP point. he understands like all of you that the s2k is not about power. and that is not the lure of the car for people. he is simply stating that from a business standpoint and from an economic standpoint this car is terribly outdated thus reflecting is poor sales and limited production. at the same token honda realizes this that's why they still make very few of them. i think it is not their intention to have this car be a factor in their business model. they just make it for the sake of trying to squeeze out a couple of bucks from a model that was designed to be a 2-3 year thing almost 10 years ago. i'm sure they never thought it would still be in production nearly 10 years after its birth.
that being said, i think the op is understanding of this, and is just trying to say that instead of letting it die out... with a few minor upgrades without having to change the chassis they could easily bring this car back to the same competitive status it was in when it first came out. i tend to a agree. while this is a modders car, if they were to give it just a bit more power and the option for a few upgraded luxury items like in the japanese models (navi, maybe better stock sound) i'm sure this car would do much much much well and again compete with bmws and porches as opposed to friggin chevys.
that being said, i think the op is understanding of this, and is just trying to say that instead of letting it die out... with a few minor upgrades without having to change the chassis they could easily bring this car back to the same competitive status it was in when it first came out. i tend to a agree. while this is a modders car, if they were to give it just a bit more power and the option for a few upgraded luxury items like in the japanese models (navi, maybe better stock sound) i'm sure this car would do much much much well and again compete with bmws and porches as opposed to friggin chevys.
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You guys were getting so defensive with what I stated because you guys thought I was being a hater, when I stated numerous times that I wasn't and am not a hater.
I own one for God's sake...
<------------ Look at my profile information... 2006 GPW. Let me guess... you can't really read what it says but rather YOU THINK it says I drive a Cobalt SS?
Andre
I own one for God's sake...
<------------ Look at my profile information... 2006 GPW. Let me guess... you can't really read what it says but rather YOU THINK it says I drive a Cobalt SS?
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Originally Posted by thebig33tuna,Nov 7 2008, 01:44 PM
ok. its right here:
you posted FIVE 1/4 mile times and trap speeds. those are done on straight tracks. that would be 'straight line.' i agree with nichigo.
you posted FIVE 1/4 mile times and trap speeds. those are done on straight tracks. that would be 'straight line.' i agree with nichigo.
The time reflects how well a driver can launch, shift, reaction time. I posted the 1/4 mile times cause that was the only reference I put out there which shows a good relationship between all cars with the power their making and their weight.
Simple yes or no question... Does power matter on a road course? Yes or no.
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Originally Posted by nichigo,Nov 7 2008, 02:05 PM
^^If that's what he's trying to say, then he should say it. It makes it very hard to get that out of what he said on the first post.
That is why I kept on saying to read what I am writing rather than reading what YOU THINK I'm trying to say.
Is it that hard for some people to read a little?
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i think most of you are missing the point. i mean who actually buys a car just to go on the tracks and on a mountain pass? i live in the city and i'll probably never see a track or any mountain passes so how fast the car can go around the corner is not a huge concern to me.
like most people i'll probably drive around straight highways and streets, not to say i'm gonna "drag race" my car on the street but i want a car that has enough power to go fast in a straight line. i mean the stock s2k is fast enough for me but there's probably a lot of other people that are not satisfied yet still love the car.
the OP was making a pretty valid point...although the car is not for a drag strip but he's probably saying he wants a "fast car" that can give the power on a regular daily basis driving without having to sell the s for a corvette or something.
like most people i'll probably drive around straight highways and streets, not to say i'm gonna "drag race" my car on the street but i want a car that has enough power to go fast in a straight line. i mean the stock s2k is fast enough for me but there's probably a lot of other people that are not satisfied yet still love the car.
the OP was making a pretty valid point...although the car is not for a drag strip but he's probably saying he wants a "fast car" that can give the power on a regular daily basis driving without having to sell the s for a corvette or something.