S2ks are in trouble
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Sorry to bring this up but in Car and Driver's shootout the Cobalt SS beat a lot of pricier cars including the S2k in the 1/4 mile and around the track.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ap_2008_feature
Here's the thread:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...ic=639938&st=0.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ap_2008_feature
Here's the thread:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...ic=639938&st=0.
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From: Liberty Hill, TX (Austin)
Originally Posted by JLUDE,Nov 6 2008, 01:48 PM
I'm going to wager a guess...that to make a 4 door car have a chassis stiff enough to not negatively effect handling on a car the size of the Sti...it would weigh in around 3600 lbs!
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Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Nov 6 2008, 01:36 PM
For what Honda charges for an S2k CR ($42,000 I believe)
you can walk out the door at 10k less than that right now. the msrp was like 38, WITH the radio and AC options installed. w/o cheaper.
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Originally Posted by thebig33tuna,Nov 6 2008, 12:51 PM
?????????
you can walk out the door at 10k less than that right now. the msrp was like 38, WITH the radio and AC options installed. w/o cheaper.
you can walk out the door at 10k less than that right now. the msrp was like 38, WITH the radio and AC options installed. w/o cheaper.
$42k is way off even msrp.
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Originally Posted by Not Sure,Nov 6 2008, 12:49 PM
Sorry to bring this up but in Car and Driver's shootout the Cobalt SS beat a lot of pricier cars including the S2k in the 1/4 mile and around the track.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ap_2008_feature
Here's the thread:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...ic=639938&st=0.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ap_2008_feature
Here's the thread:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...ic=639938&st=0.
Wow, we got to 3 pages of this? I really can't understand why all of you are freaking out. I'm sure there are some cobalt ss owners here that are rofl reading this thread of a whole bunch of s2k owners trying to justify their purchase or how flawed the test was.
Look - the cobalt ss is fast. It's really fast. GM got it right. They know how to make affordable fast cars (see corvette - affordable relative to its performance). If you want to go really fast in a new stock car around most race tracks for under $25k, you really shouldn't look any further.
But, if you care how you get around that race track, then you should shop around. Every car I've driven has it's own "personality" and I've found the S2k is the most fun to drive car I have ever driven. But that's just my personal preference. I don't care about a hp or torque #'s. I don't care about handling g's, quarter mile or 0-60 times, or braking distances. I care about how much fun I have while driving the car around.
And for those that say the S should be faster - a car is only as fast as it's driver. That's the problem with these lap time tests. People get so freaked out about lap times and what beat this or that. If you've never tracked your car, you wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the lap times C&D got anyway. Most drivers really only utilize maybe 25% of it's maximum performance. So why is everyone getting concerned about what the maximum performance of their car is when they probably won't even attempt to reach that maximum?
And about the brakes. The S2k brakes are simply phenomenal, but any brake pad will fade if you get enough heat in them. The solution is either a big, heavy, expensive big break kit to dissipate the heat, or more aggressive pads. The problem with race pads is that they are louder, dust more, and most importantly require a higher operating temperature. These are things you do NOT want for a street car. Your daily driving stopping distances will be noticeably FARTHER with race pads than with street pads.
So everyone calm down. Show some respect. And get your cars out to a track or autocross.
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Originally Posted by patinum,Nov 6 2008, 02:42 PM
Not when I'm driving.
For a guy who "autox's 95% of the time", I'm not sure what you're complaining about. A lot of the autox's I go to are dominated by S2000's.
As for track days, going through a turn super fast is, to me, more rewarding than the top speed I end up with at the end of the straight.
If I wanted a fast car, I would have bought a penis car like a Evo or Sti or used Vette. But I wanted a fun to drive car (not that those cars aren't fun to drive). If there were a quantitative measure of fun to drive, I'm sure the S would only get trumped by a handful of vehicles.
Sure honda could have thrown a turbo on. But I think that would throw off the balance of the car (not weight distribution "balance" but how well all the parts of the car work together).
For a guy who "autox's 95% of the time", I'm not sure what you're complaining about. A lot of the autox's I go to are dominated by S2000's.
As for track days, going through a turn super fast is, to me, more rewarding than the top speed I end up with at the end of the straight.
If I wanted a fast car, I would have bought a penis car like a Evo or Sti or used Vette. But I wanted a fun to drive car (not that those cars aren't fun to drive). If there were a quantitative measure of fun to drive, I'm sure the S would only get trumped by a handful of vehicles.
Sure honda could have thrown a turbo on. But I think that would throw off the balance of the car (not weight distribution "balance" but how well all the parts of the car work together).
Listen... I agree with you but your statement about the turbo or another idea of even a little higher displacement motor is all I was looking for. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by pmrhonda,Nov 6 2008, 02:45 PM
To the OP: I'm just gonna repeat what everyone else has said to others posting the same concerns as you...If you knew that the s2k seemed "overpriced" when you decided to get it, then why did you bother? Bottom line is that S2000's are made to swallow S-turns.
All I'm saying is that a little more power would really help the S2k with it's price range competition.
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Originally Posted by patinum,Nov 6 2008, 02:56 PM
Thanks, and I'm going to report what I posted in that thread:
Wow, we got to 3 pages of this? I really can't understand why all of you are freaking out. I'm sure there are some cobalt ss owners here that are rofl reading this thread of a whole bunch of s2k owners trying to justify their purchase or how flawed the test was.
Look - the cobalt ss is fast. It's really fast. GM got it right. They know how to make affordable fast cars (see corvette - affordable relative to its performance). If you want to go really fast in a new stock car around most race tracks for under $25k, you really shouldn't look any further.
But, if you care how you get around that race track, then you should shop around. Every car I've driven has it's own "personality" and I've found the S2k is the most fun to drive car I have ever driven. But that's just my personal preference. I don't care about a hp or torque #'s. I don't care about handling g's, quarter mile or 0-60 times, or braking distances. I care about how much fun I have while driving the car around.
And for those that say the S should be faster - a car is only as fast as it's driver. That's the problem with these lap time tests. People get so freaked out about lap times and what beat this or that. If you've never tracked your car, you wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the lap times C&D got anyway. Most drivers really only utilize maybe 25% of it's maximum performance. So why is everyone getting concerned about what the maximum performance of their car is when they probably won't even attempt to reach that maximum?
And about the brakes. The S2k brakes are simply phenomenal, but any brake pad will fade if you get enough heat in them. The solution is either a big, heavy, expensive big break kit to dissipate the heat, or more aggressive pads. The problem with race pads is that they are louder, dust more, and most importantly require a higher operating temperature. These are things you do NOT want for a street car. Your daily driving stopping distances will be noticeably FARTHER with race pads than with street pads.
So everyone calm down. Show some respect. And get your cars out to a track or autocross.
Wow, we got to 3 pages of this? I really can't understand why all of you are freaking out. I'm sure there are some cobalt ss owners here that are rofl reading this thread of a whole bunch of s2k owners trying to justify their purchase or how flawed the test was.
Look - the cobalt ss is fast. It's really fast. GM got it right. They know how to make affordable fast cars (see corvette - affordable relative to its performance). If you want to go really fast in a new stock car around most race tracks for under $25k, you really shouldn't look any further.
But, if you care how you get around that race track, then you should shop around. Every car I've driven has it's own "personality" and I've found the S2k is the most fun to drive car I have ever driven. But that's just my personal preference. I don't care about a hp or torque #'s. I don't care about handling g's, quarter mile or 0-60 times, or braking distances. I care about how much fun I have while driving the car around.
And for those that say the S should be faster - a car is only as fast as it's driver. That's the problem with these lap time tests. People get so freaked out about lap times and what beat this or that. If you've never tracked your car, you wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the lap times C&D got anyway. Most drivers really only utilize maybe 25% of it's maximum performance. So why is everyone getting concerned about what the maximum performance of their car is when they probably won't even attempt to reach that maximum?
And about the brakes. The S2k brakes are simply phenomenal, but any brake pad will fade if you get enough heat in them. The solution is either a big, heavy, expensive big break kit to dissipate the heat, or more aggressive pads. The problem with race pads is that they are louder, dust more, and most importantly require a higher operating temperature. These are things you do NOT want for a street car. Your daily driving stopping distances will be noticeably FARTHER with race pads than with street pads.
So everyone calm down. Show some respect. And get your cars out to a track or autocross.
The only thing that I'm trying to get across is that the S2k could use more power... that's it... that's all. Nothing else different... just that.
Trust me... if I didn't like the S2k for what it is, then I wouldn't own one.
I'm not trying to be the enemy here or an S2k hater (wayyyy far from that), just trying to show that Honda should address what seems to be the ONE AND ONLY complaint on these forums and any other owner of the S2k.
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^^^^ this is what happen to the NSX folks. Its been a long time coming. They will cancel it soon enough. Then we will see something new from Honda that will suprise everyone. YES WE CAN! Let the NSX come out and Dominate a lil.
By the way. We been in trouble ever since they started making the SRT-4 and its ridiculous amount of power for such a cheap price and the car is ugly and well CHEAP. Usally they would of canceled a car that is in trouble like this...
Toyota Celica
Acura RSX
Acura NSX
Chevy Camaro
I dont think anyone has noticed this but Corvette was actually the last car that i know of that sold as a new model in 2004 and had flip lights. So don't be too sad about the HP issue. Its a modders car and a have fun roadster for people that wanna keep it plain and simple. Its supposed to be a figure of Honda's anniversary. Nothing more guys. Treasure that Honda brought it out and we are not just looking at Civic SI's all the time.
By the way. We been in trouble ever since they started making the SRT-4 and its ridiculous amount of power for such a cheap price and the car is ugly and well CHEAP. Usally they would of canceled a car that is in trouble like this...
Toyota Celica
Acura RSX
Acura NSX
Chevy Camaro
I dont think anyone has noticed this but Corvette was actually the last car that i know of that sold as a new model in 2004 and had flip lights. So don't be too sad about the HP issue. Its a modders car and a have fun roadster for people that wanna keep it plain and simple. Its supposed to be a figure of Honda's anniversary. Nothing more guys. Treasure that Honda brought it out and we are not just looking at Civic SI's all the time.
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Originally Posted by Chris S,Nov 6 2008, 10:22 AM
If you're not happy w/ the S2000, dump it and buy something else, don't be a Honda fanboi. Loss of market share means a lot more to Honda than people bitching on the net.
