S2ks are in trouble
Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Nov 6 2008, 01:05 PM
I'm not arguing with you on what you think the S2k is about cause it's the same reason that I bought mine. The car is much better than those listed above (for our reasons) and the excitement factor is just through the roof... I have nothing bu satisfaction with the S2k everytime I drive it, but I think that you can agree with me that Honda could make something with a little bit more of a bite... am I wrong?
The only thing that I'm trying to get across is that the S2k could use more power... that's it... that's all. Nothing else different... just that.
Trust me... if I didn't like the S2k for what it is, then I wouldn't own one.
I'm not trying to be the enemy here or an S2k hater (wayyyy far from that), just trying to show that Honda should address what seems to be the ONE AND ONLY complaint on these forums and any other owner of the S2k.
Andre
The only thing that I'm trying to get across is that the S2k could use more power... that's it... that's all. Nothing else different... just that.
Trust me... if I didn't like the S2k for what it is, then I wouldn't own one.
I'm not trying to be the enemy here or an S2k hater (wayyyy far from that), just trying to show that Honda should address what seems to be the ONE AND ONLY complaint on these forums and any other owner of the S2k.
Andre
I do remember reading an early review of the Solstice GXP. Turbo'd version of a very good and thought to be underpowered car. The reviewer actually said he had more fun driving the base solstice because the GXP felt like they just slapped a turbo on and didn't balance out the car. If that's the risk of getting more hp out of our already fast car, then no thanks. [disclaimer, I'm only 90% sure I read that and I didn't just make it up].
The comparisons to the NSX are spot on. When the NSX came out, it ran with 911's, 348's, Corvette's, etc. And now, as far as lap times and measurements go, the modern day versions of those cars would destroy it. However, many people still say the NSX is the most fun car they've ever driven. Same with the S2000. When it came out there were no 350z's, evo's, sti's, cobalt ss's, etc. It did, however, run with Boxster's, M roadsters - we were to them what the cobalt is to us. Cheaper and faster. But like the NSX, evolution has been slow to non-existent with the S2000.
Originally Posted by Chris S,Nov 6 2008, 02:22 PM
If you're not happy w/ the S2000, dump it and buy something else, don't be a Honda fanboi. Loss of market share means a lot more to Honda than people bitching on the net.
Andre
Im glad Honda did and does the S the way they do. It gives us more choices for aftermarket then a car that comes with a turbo or supercharger would, at a better price. I get to choose if I want to turbo, Super or go outside of the box and get ITBs... Choice is a good thing
I sold my 703whp Civic that went 10.20's in the 1/4 when i bought my S2k. I must say i have alot more fun in the S2k and honestly dont miss my Civic at all. It was fun waxing peoples ass's all of the time but i love autocrossing my S2k and it's such a fun car. Going fast in a staight line gets old but taking corners never does
This is the last year of production (09), so I wouldn't expect anything unless a new model comes out. Your right though either TC or SC the engine all else is great! If you want to drag race though the S is not for you. It is made for twisties. Super bike with 4 wheels.
Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Nov 6 2008, 10:20 AM
All I'm trying to say is that this motor is pretty much obsolete right now (8 years old... going on 9 years). They really need to keep up with the competition for the price they're charging for a new S2k.
I'm sorry, im going to have to agree with the pleasure over power crowd for a USED S2000. A good condition S2000 with minimal miles can set you back 15-20k$- depending on how picky you are. I say USED because I'm not sure if I could justify spending 30-35k$ for a brand new model, on my starving student budget.
That being said the car won my heart over with smiles per gallon. When the time comes to notch-up my "cocksmanship" I will get into some serious modification under hood to satisfy that bug. With gas @ 3$+ I would find it painful putting gas into a car such as the SS and cringe at the thought of setting aside funds to modify a car I wouldn't be proud of owning. This was the argument years back with the SRT4
You also have to take into consideration the history and classical potential of this car. Its styling, function (or lack there of
) places it above the HP wars and track time status and into the pantheon of one of histories great cars. People will not remember the Cobalt SS, SRT4 or, dare I say EVO and WRX. A drivers car, an enthusiasts car, will be remembered for decades.
a coworker of mine got bored with his G35, so he went out and got an evo VIII and spent about $1500 on used parts. he had a fair bit over 300awhp for about the same money as my new S cost. his car was A LOT faster. but you know, i told him how much fun that would be and i couldnt wait to get money for a supercharger and keep up. he IMMEDIATELY responded with -- OH MAN i wish i could have an FI S2000, i'd trade my evo in a second. i just can't make RWD work with the weather.
i asked him why he liked the s2000 SO much more than the evo. he didn't have a clear reason--he just had a reverence for the car. balance, poise, looks, rotational inertia, body roll, whatever the reasons--it's just different from a hopped-up version of high-production low-cost car. another friend has a cobalt SS, and as much as he likes power, he'd trade with me in a second if he could give up the practicality.
slower or not, i would never say a stock NSX or a Lotus Exige is inferior to reflashed Cobalt SS. it's the same with the S2000, it's the same with a vintage 911, and it's the same with a modern Cayman/Boxster, S-version or not. if you just want to be the fastest--in whatever setting--you can buy a better car. but there's more to appeal than just speed.
i asked him why he liked the s2000 SO much more than the evo. he didn't have a clear reason--he just had a reverence for the car. balance, poise, looks, rotational inertia, body roll, whatever the reasons--it's just different from a hopped-up version of high-production low-cost car. another friend has a cobalt SS, and as much as he likes power, he'd trade with me in a second if he could give up the practicality.
slower or not, i would never say a stock NSX or a Lotus Exige is inferior to reflashed Cobalt SS. it's the same with the S2000, it's the same with a vintage 911, and it's the same with a modern Cayman/Boxster, S-version or not. if you just want to be the fastest--in whatever setting--you can buy a better car. but there's more to appeal than just speed.






I'll believe it when i see it.