S2ks are in trouble
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I understand where your coming from, OP. I too have to agree that a little more power wouldn't hurt. I love the S to death, don't get me wrong people, but just annoying knowing these cheap mobiles are actually on the same level as the S, performance wise.
I know the looks play a part in the S, price wise, but $15k more compared to the Cobalt. Seems a bit much, really. I think if they did add more power to the S, honda is smart enough to balance it out still.
For the ones that don't really understand, this is not about drag racing the S. Just more power could help. Regarding tracking the car, you know when you hit those straights, you wish your S could pull a little stronger.
I know the looks play a part in the S, price wise, but $15k more compared to the Cobalt. Seems a bit much, really. I think if they did add more power to the S, honda is smart enough to balance it out still.
For the ones that don't really understand, this is not about drag racing the S. Just more power could help. Regarding tracking the car, you know when you hit those straights, you wish your S could pull a little stronger.
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Originally Posted by shadwsndst,Nov 6 2008, 03:36 PM
Minor technicality: the F series motor is nearly 20 years old in design, that recently got an update almost 10 years ago for our S2000's.
I'm sorry, im going to have to agree with the pleasure over power crowd for a USED S2000. A good condition S2000 with minimal miles can set you back 15-20k$- depending on how picky you are. I say USED because I'm not sure if I could justify spending 30-35k$ for a brand new model, on my starving student budget.
That being said the car won my heart over with smiles per gallon. When the time comes to notch-up my "cocksmanship" I will get into some serious modification under hood to satisfy that bug. With gas @ 3$+ I would find it painful putting gas into a car such as the SS and cringe at the thought of setting aside funds to modify a car I wouldn't be proud of owning. This was the argument years back with the SRT4
You also have to take into consideration the history and classical potential of this car. Its styling, function (or lack there of
) places it above the HP wars and track time status and into the pantheon of one of histories great cars. People will not remember the Cobalt SS, SRT4 or, dare I say EVO and WRX. A drivers car, an enthusiasts car, will be remembered for decades.
I'm sorry, im going to have to agree with the pleasure over power crowd for a USED S2000. A good condition S2000 with minimal miles can set you back 15-20k$- depending on how picky you are. I say USED because I'm not sure if I could justify spending 30-35k$ for a brand new model, on my starving student budget.
That being said the car won my heart over with smiles per gallon. When the time comes to notch-up my "cocksmanship" I will get into some serious modification under hood to satisfy that bug. With gas @ 3$+ I would find it painful putting gas into a car such as the SS and cringe at the thought of setting aside funds to modify a car I wouldn't be proud of owning. This was the argument years back with the SRT4
You also have to take into consideration the history and classical potential of this car. Its styling, function (or lack there of
) places it above the HP wars and track time status and into the pantheon of one of histories great cars. People will not remember the Cobalt SS, SRT4 or, dare I say EVO and WRX. A drivers car, an enthusiasts car, will be remembered for decades.Andre
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Originally Posted by ace123,Nov 6 2008, 03:39 PM
a coworker of mine got bored with his G35, so he went out and got an evo VIII and spent about $1500 on used parts. he had a fair bit over 300awhp for about the same money as my new S cost. his car was A LOT faster. but you know, i told him how much fun that would be and i couldnt wait to get money for a supercharger and keep up. he IMMEDIATELY responded with -- OH MAN i wish i could have an FI S2000, i'd trade my evo in a second. i just can't make RWD work with the weather.
i asked him why he liked the s2000 SO much more than the evo. he didn't have a clear reason--he just had a reverence for the car. balance, poise, looks, rotational inertia, body roll, whatever the reasons--it's just different from a hopped-up version of high-production low-cost car. another friend has a cobalt SS, and as much as he likes power, he'd trade with me in a second if he could give up the practicality.
slower or not, i would never say a stock NSX or a Lotus Exige is inferior to reflashed Cobalt SS. it's the same with the S2000, it's the same with a vintage 911, and it's the same with a modern Cayman/Boxster, S-version or not. if you just want to be the fastest--in whatever setting--you can buy a better car. but there's more to appeal than just speed.
i asked him why he liked the s2000 SO much more than the evo. he didn't have a clear reason--he just had a reverence for the car. balance, poise, looks, rotational inertia, body roll, whatever the reasons--it's just different from a hopped-up version of high-production low-cost car. another friend has a cobalt SS, and as much as he likes power, he'd trade with me in a second if he could give up the practicality.
slower or not, i would never say a stock NSX or a Lotus Exige is inferior to reflashed Cobalt SS. it's the same with the S2000, it's the same with a vintage 911, and it's the same with a modern Cayman/Boxster, S-version or not. if you just want to be the fastest--in whatever setting--you can buy a better car. but there's more to appeal than just speed.
I think everyone except for a few are reading right through the context of my words in my posts. Read carefully and absorb what I'm saying instead of what you think I'm saying.
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Originally Posted by NoRawkus305,Nov 6 2008, 03:47 PM
I understand where your coming from, OP. I too have to agree that a little more power wouldn't hurt. I love the S to death, don't get me wrong people, but just annoying knowing these cheap mobiles are actually on the same level as the S, performance wise.
I know the looks play a part in the S, price wise, but $15k more compared to the Cobalt. Seems a bit much, really. I think if they did add more power to the S, honda is smart enough to balance it out still.
For the ones that don't really understand, this is not about drag racing the S. Just more power could help. Regarding tracking the car, you know when you hit those straights, you wish your S could pull a little stronger.
I know the looks play a part in the S, price wise, but $15k more compared to the Cobalt. Seems a bit much, really. I think if they did add more power to the S, honda is smart enough to balance it out still.
For the ones that don't really understand, this is not about drag racing the S. Just more power could help. Regarding tracking the car, you know when you hit those straights, you wish your S could pull a little stronger.
Andre
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Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Nov 6 2008, 02:39 PM
I agree with you, but I'm talking from the factory.
The same can be done to any of those other cars as well with aftermarket performance.
You have to remember that we S2ki'ers are different... we'll buy a SC or Turbo Kit.
But now if you're a non-mechanically inclined person that's looking for a sports roadster from the factory and you come across and S2k for $42,000 and say the new BMW Z4 M-coupe for I believe to be around $48,000 - $50,000, which would you pick?
Andre
The same can be done to any of those other cars as well with aftermarket performance.
You have to remember that we S2ki'ers are different... we'll buy a SC or Turbo Kit.
But now if you're a non-mechanically inclined person that's looking for a sports roadster from the factory and you come across and S2k for $42,000 and say the new BMW Z4 M-coupe for I believe to be around $48,000 - $50,000, which would you pick?
Andre
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Originally Posted by ECale3,Nov 6 2008, 03:54 PM
Who is paying 42K for a S2000 CR? I want to know so i can laugh at them.
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Yes, the cheapmobiles are on the same performance level...but it really doesn't bother me. You know why? Because I'm not competing with them. I don't drag race. When I autox, they aren't in my racing class...and if they are and they beat me, then they have to be a pretty good driver. Not that I'm a great driver, but when it comes to real racing (ones with left and right turns), either the car is faster or the driver is faster. If the car is faster, then so be it. I like my car and I would rather be fast driver in a slow car than a slow driver in a fast car. And if the driver is faster, more respect to him. For track, I'm only competing with myself (for now). I've been passed by civics and miatas, and I've passed Z06's and 911 turbo's. Same logic applies.