I've tried to point out a major problem with installing a K24 in a RWD application. I've seen both blocks up close and personal.

If you can't take the criticism maybe you should try other ways to recruit customers of your shop.

 

 

Im starting to agree i guess, the k20 may not be the one to go with, i was thinking k24 bottom end /k20z1 head, high compression pistons, with the toda flywheel, toda cams/springs, Toda I.T.B's, and k-pro. This set up would be costly no doubt, but could be one B.M.F !! Torque is where im trying to go here guys, an N/A monster keeping it all Honda, that was the idea. But maybe ill kick around something else. Thanks for your valued opinions fella's

 

to the people who suggested the NSX motor, it can't be done as it spins the wrong way.

I also still think the F20C is better suited than the K. The K is able to make those great gains because it has something the S lacks, the programmable ECU. If you invest the time in tuning, I think you could match or beat what the K's put out.

You're starting with fully forged internals (which WILL be more reliable at high RPM over time) and probably THE best flowing head out there.

 

Again your mistaken man, im not trying to recruit customers, i have too many as it is. You only live once man, and im doing what i love to do. But i get bored of things very easily, and enjoy building stuff like this. Thanks for pointing these things out to me bro, really, i dont mean to come off as a know it all, sorry if i offended you, but from the looks of things im seeing certain things, engineering wise alot different than you. Remember, with enginuity, time and money, one could build almost anything. Your saying this cant be done is pure ignorence. This problem your pointing out to me is not a problem to me, i can take the critisism if deserved, its just hard to listen to some guy that knows nothing about me tell me what im capable of accomplishing with the skills ive spent my entire life learning. But thanks for your opinion, thats what i came here to get. Not customers. I have a website for that, and business is very good, allways has been.

 

oh noes.

 

[QUOTE=steven975,Dec 27 2006, 01:22 AM] I also still think the F20C is better suited than the K.

 

oh snap!

 

Exactly, that consensus on FWD whp and RWD whp means that both engines are probably very similar at the crankshaft... close enough to question the cost/benefit of doing the swap. Performance-wise, it seems marginal at best. A K-series swap in a technical exercise, not a practical performance upgrade. For what it's worth, it would still be neat to see.

As far as a 13B goes, I see that as a step down in many ways compared to the F20C/F22C. In a mild state of tune, it won't make as much power as the F series, yet have less reliability, more oil and fuel consumption, be dirty as hell, and fragile to boot.

If you go Renesis, then you are getting about the same level of power and torque, but with a smaller package. The difference isn't going to be much: the Renesis isn't going to save a lot of weight from the F20, which is fairly light. You'd still be giving up fuel economy, oil consumption, and probably some long-term reliability.

The wankel's benefits are space/power and smoothness. Compared to most engines, it offers V6 levels of power (but not torque) and smoothness in a smaller package. But then, so does the F20C/F22C.... and without the downsides of rotary power.

 

I havent finished reading this thread yet, but that was hilarious. ...

I trust this guys ability, that it will work if he can shoehorn a supra engine into the car and make it work. I think a k20 is a good idea, its not a power house like the supra engine, but the torque and nice redline will be interesting to see. When he does this swap I'd really like to see a race between a reg f20c...Our power band lacks so badly in torque that you never know, this might work out alot better then people think, and i't won't mess with the 50/50 weight distribution due to it being the same weight. I say try it out.