Went from AP1 to AP2v2, some thoughts
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Community Organizer
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,171
Likes: 53
From: Tucson, AZ
Fact is, the CR is going to be the collector's piece. Low production numbers trump perceived value of an additional 1K rpms and 200 cc's less displacement. No one is taking offense to anything, we're just tired of you pissing on us and calling it rain. Call it annoyance if you must.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 893
Likes: 12
The historic value, and the 'usable' value of a car often do not align. Often the collector value of the first version of a groundbreaking car is worth more than later versions, even if refinements and 'improvements' are made in subsequent models.
When such cars were 'new', the refined models are almost always the more desirable. But from a collector pov, the original, the one that broke new ground, is the landmark, desired model.
When such cars were 'new', the refined models are almost always the more desirable. But from a collector pov, the original, the one that broke new ground, is the landmark, desired model.
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Car Analogy' timestamp='1456778957' post='23894927
The historic value, and the 'usable' value of a car often do not align. Often the collector value of the first version of a groundbreaking car is worth more than later versions, even if refinements and 'improvements' are made in subsequent models.
When such cars were 'new', the refined models are almost always the more desirable. But from a collector pov, the original, the one that broke new ground, is the landmark, desired model.
So MOST of the S2000s on the road around the world have the F20c engine. And my argument all along is that in the future when the industry looks back on this car as they do now...... The F20c is synonymous with what made the s2000 a "special" car. Whether some of you can accept or understand that is another issue.
The AP2 is an improved upon car in many ways.... But there is an element of "purism" that matters when reflecting upon cars from a historical perspective. AND that is where I am coming from......
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Essentially the farewell special edition of the Honda S2000. THIS will be worth the most $... F20c intact...
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-rev...0-2009-review/
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-rev...0-2009-review/
Community Organizer
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,171
Likes: 53
From: Tucson, AZ
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/729...-of-us-s2000s/
The "precipitous" drop in the US was after the introduction of DBW. The 2005 was right up there with the first two years of sales.
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456942197' post='23897051
S2000 sales in US, where AP2s were initially made, dropped precipitously after 2004 and F20c was kept in all countries thereafter except Japan for a few years.
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/729...-of-us-s2000s/
The "precipitous" drop in the US was after the introduction of DBW. The 2005 was right up there with the first two years of sales.
LOL.. Guess you are not a statistician.. Regardless of 2005 and DBW.... it was a collective precipitous drop in sales after 2004..
Community Organizer
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,171
Likes: 53
From: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted by Fokker' timestamp='1456945514' post='23897093
[quote name='Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456942197' post='23897051']
S2000 sales in US, where AP2s were initially made, dropped precipitously after 2004 and F20c was kept in all countries thereafter except Japan for a few years.
S2000 sales in US, where AP2s were initially made, dropped precipitously after 2004 and F20c was kept in all countries thereafter except Japan for a few years.
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/729...-of-us-s2000s/
The "precipitous" drop in the US was after the introduction of DBW. The 2005 was right up there with the first two years of sales.
LOL.. Guess you are not a statistician.. Regardless of 2005 and DBW.... it was a collective precipitous drop in sales after 2004..
[/quote]
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/precipitous
I probably know a fair bit more about statistics than you. Collective drops in sales happened with the 2003 and 2006 model introductions. What color is the sky in the world you live in?
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456948365' post='23897149
[quote name='Fokker' timestamp='1456945514' post='23897093']
[quote name='Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456942197' post='23897051']
S2000 sales in US, where AP2s were initially made, dropped precipitously after 2004 and F20c was kept in all countries thereafter except Japan for a few years.
[quote name='Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456942197' post='23897051']
S2000 sales in US, where AP2s were initially made, dropped precipitously after 2004 and F20c was kept in all countries thereafter except Japan for a few years.
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/729...-of-us-s2000s/
The "precipitous" drop in the US was after the introduction of DBW. The 2005 was right up there with the first two years of sales.
LOL.. Guess you are not a statistician.. Regardless of 2005 and DBW.... it was a collective precipitous drop in sales after 2004..
[/quote]
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/precipitous
I probably know a fair bit more about statistics than you. Collective drops in sales happened with the 2003 and 2006 model introductions. What color is the sky in the world you live in?
[/quote]
HAHA ....2005 sales was an anomaly..... Bet a lot of people surprised by that stat..... I have seen that sales graph before.... not sure how accurate.. But interesting nonetheless....