You aren't on some higher level of intelligence (despite how highly you think of yourself), we understand exactly what you are saying. You speak like what you say is fact, like there's no to other way to it, like other opinions beside yours don't exist. No, not everyone believes what you believe about M3s either. I'll take an E46 over an E36 any day, because to me it was more "groundbreaking". Sure the E46 owes a lot to it's predecessors but the E46, especially the CSL, took the category to another level (to me). Some people will agree with me, some won't, and that's ok.

When confronted with sales numbers that dispute your claim about the "precipitous drop", you deflect with insults about the guy not being a statistician or that you didn't have this mysterious "graph" in front of you and ramble on. You mention being objective but never actually substantiate your claim. Regardless, a sales drop isn't that uncommon for a car as it ages.

Your opinions are your opinions, no one is trying to make you believe any otherwise. I'm pretty sure most people will agree that the F20C is great but when you state that an F22C-equipped S2000 is a lesser vehicle or some "watered down" derivative as fact because simply because of some bullshit like it's lower redline is simply stupid. Get over yourself. You are the reason this topics get locked, you are the sole reason this thread has turned to shit. This isn't some conspiracy against you, you are a self-righteous idiot.
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LOL,
Wow... sensitive are we...? Not to mention the personal attack that I never engage in.... A tongue in cheek comment is much different that calling someone an idiot.... I really don't care what you think or call me. I obviously had an effect on you to go on and on about me...LOL
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Maybe you should have bought that 911 so you can annoy the water-cooled 911 owners about how you and your and your 911 are better than them. It's interesting that you only want it now just because values are rising. Not because you've driven it or experienced what is has to offer. No, you want it because others want it. You think numbers are the only thing that matters.

You actually used personal attacks too, you started with the personal attacks. But once again, I'm sure you'll just continue to deny or ignore the truth.

Sensitive? That's like the 3rd time you mentioned that. That's all you can come up with. The only thing I'm sensitive to is your toxic self-serving posts. And since you're responding, it's obvious you care quite a bit.

 

You aren't on some higher level of intelligence (despite how highly you think of yourself), we understand exactly what you are saying. You speak like what you say is fact, like there's no to other way to it, like other opinions beside yours don't exist. No, not everyone believes what you believe about M3s either. I'll take an E46 over an E36 any day, because to me it was more "groundbreaking". Sure the E46 owes a lot to it's predecessors but the E46, especially the CSL, took the category to another level (to me). Some people will agree with me, some won't, and that's ok.

When confronted with sales numbers that dispute your claim about the "precipitous drop", you deflect with insults about the guy not being a statistician or that you didn't have this mysterious "graph" in front of you and ramble on. You mention being objective but never actually substantiate your claim. Regardless, a sales drop isn't that uncommon for a car as it ages.

Your opinions are your opinions, no one is trying to make you believe any otherwise. I'm pretty sure most people will agree that the F20C is great but when you state that an F22C-equipped S2000 is a lesser vehicle or some "watered down" derivative as fact because simply because of some bullshit like it's lower redline is simply stupid. Get over yourself. You are the reason this topics get locked, you are the sole reason this thread has turned to shit. This isn't some conspiracy against you, you are a self-righteous idiot.
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LOL,
Wow... sensitive are we...? Not to mention the personal attack that I never engage in.... A tongue in cheek comment is much different that calling someone an idiot.... I really don't care what you think or call me. I obviously had an effect on you to go on and on about me...LOL
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Maybe you should have bought that 911 so you can annoy the water-cooled 911 owners about how you and your and your 911 are better than them. It's interesting that you only want it now just because values are rising. Not because you've driven it or experienced what is has to offer. No, you want it because others want it. You think numbers are the only thing that matters.

You actually used personal attacks too, you started with the personal attacks. But once again, I'm sure you'll just continue to deny or ignore the truth.

Sensitive? That's like the 3rd time you mentioned that. That's all you can come up with. The only thing I'm sensitive to is your toxic self-serving posts. And since you're responding, it's obvious you care quite a bit.
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No... you went personal first. Have some insight. You ARE sensitive and insecure... I am talking about cars and your tone went aggressive first.

Because you seem to know who I am and why I like old 911s.....I am old enough to have been looking at used 911s back in the day when they were cheap. Being a guy who appreciates reliability, I didn't pull trigger for a bunch of reasons... But I always prefer pure, analog cars. Hence the AP1 in my garage.... and I only need to change the oil

 

Well, that article also said the F20C had titanium connecting rods... AP2 values today still trend way higher than AP1s of similar mileage. AP2v2s in particular are more rare and still command a premium. I think you're over-rotating on the value of the F20C relative to the F22C. They are very nearly the same engine, bad TCTs and all. It's not like the Mezger 911 engines vs the M96. Of course talk is cheap, we'll see in 10 years if the F20C's command a premium. I don't consider any car an investment, even most cars that 'appreciate' tend to under-index relative to inflation.

 

You're not comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing one generation to another. An air cooled 911 (say 993) is a different car altogether than a 996. The E30 is a different car than an E36. An AP2 is merely an update of the AP1. If Honda released another S2000, then your point may have been valid. The F20 and F22 are similar enough that I'll take either one. I personally don't see the fascination with the 9k RPM redline, nor do I care for the extra 'torque' from the F22. Both engines feel 'meh' once I hop into the Porsche.

 

I have an AP1 flywheel in an AP2, it changes the feel for the better significantly. I can't even remember if I did the CDV mod, I don't think it is necessary.

Also, the flashpro is a huge improvement.

Regarding front sway bar, you can stiffen it but it needs to be matched with the rear sway bar. If you put a Cusco front sway in and keep for example a 2006 rear sway bar, it won't feel that great. I think front and rear CR sways give a good feel. I have a Cusco in front and CR in back with 235 front, 255 rear tires on wider than stock rims. All that stuff and more matters to the sway bar configuration.

 

Why do you think a Cusco FSB and a AP2 RSB won't feel good? There's only a 51 lb/in difference between the AP2 and CR RSBs and I doubt most could discern one from the other. Having driven with a Cusco FSB and AP2 RSB for an extended period, I think it felt fine. I currently run a Karcepts FSB with an AP2 RSB and though I think I need more front tire and less rear bar, it feels very good for the street and autocross. That balance wouldn't be my choice for the track, but for everything else it works well.

 

If Honda had given the original s2000 the F22c engine and didn't hit the mark of most HP per liter and first 9K rpms road car, THEN THE S2000 wouldn't have been such a big deal.

Whether you want to admit this or not, stuff like this matters
http://jalopnik.com/5953350/sorry-fe...n-9000-rpm-car

Fait accompli

 

 

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