Aw shucks and I was so looking forward to the answers!

Thanks for the heads up!

Banks's Bitter actuallyy although Bass Ale will do it !!!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
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I quess I'm not a performance driver yet (no S2k spins in 8k miles).

 

If I wanted a car that was easy to drive I would have gotten something w/AWD (although that brings other fun/challenges). I know my driving ability can't push this car to its limits, that's why I am going to school to learn more. We bought the car knowing it doesn't have traction control to compensate for our inadequacies. Its a straight forward front-engine RWD roadster. Want to see some real lift-off ovesteer? Try an old 911.

Frankly, I think that makes it more fun. If I spin it and hit something (I have not), then it is my responsibility pure and simple.

There is no inherent design flaws in this car, we got exactly what we paid for (and more).

 

Agreed.

 

finally, i was beginning to think that we were going back to what got you banned in the first place

 

I find with my car on stock S02s at 32 psi if I enter a cloverleaf too hot the car will tend to understeer as you say. If I enter a bit slower and accelerate smoothly through the turn the car takes a set and it will oversteer in a very controlled way on the throttle. At this point by modulating the throttle you can tighten or widen your line.

That is how mine handles anyway. I would do nothing to change that.

 

What exactly is YOUR problem?

You know nothing of that situation or my subsequent reinstatement (with apology) or MY SUBSEQUENT REQUEST that my name be removed from this Forum.

I have not been here for many months, not because I was banned but because I did not want to be here. Only after recently noticing that some attitudes have changed (including mine ) have I decided to return.

If you don't believe ME ask the forum membership director Honda Gal if what I say is true.

 

Bump-steer doesn't even take into account the flex in bushings... it's simply the mechanical change in toe over the range of suspension travel. You should know from driving a formula car that you always want bump-steer to be set to zero. Car makers build bump-steer into cars to make them more stable by creating toe-in under compression, but on the S2000 it has the opposite effect over bumpy surfaces, making the rear get unsettled by rapidly oscillating toe settings. High speed turns over bumpy surfaces are the best place to feel it, and you don't need to be at the limit to feel it. The rear will just sort of feel squirmy and lively over the bumps... this is not a 'good' aspect of the handling, it's a bad one. If the car had zero bump-steer, it would be just as light, tossable and enjoyable - it would just be more predictable over bumps.

And Mike... you are probably feeling understeer because you are used to higher grip (formula car). This car can be shocked into understeer by overloading the front tire, and then unless you back off it will continue to understeer. Getting on the throttle too hard too soon can cause this. If you apply the throttle smoother and in a more linear fashion the car will oversteer controllably. Those were some excellent driving tips about spinning and sliding by the way!

The bump-steer also causes other problems... here is an example. When my friend (SCCA DSR CenDiv champion) drove Nick's car at Gingerman, one of his spins happened like this (I was riding with him both times): Coming out of turn-three the car was fully loaded up and drifting slightly. He had rolled the throttle back on and we were exiting the corner with very high rear slip-angles. When the car got to the exit curbing the suspension got unsettled and the car SNAP SPUN. There was no way to catch it. Keep in mind he drives a 140hp 900lb. sports-racer on slicks. He corrected to the right and the car's right rear tire stayed on the curb. The inside rear was also on a patch of bumpy pavement, and the car violently snap spun us in the opposite direction and through the dirt back onto the track. The other time he spun was in 8, heading toward 9... very high speed transitional sweeper section with very bumpy pavement. MANY S2000 drivers have complained it's tough to get the car through there properly, as the car is unpredictable in that section.

He was expecting to be able to drive the car on the limit without getting 'bitten' which happened to him twice. Many other street sports-cars, and most purpose-built race cars allow you to flirt with the limit much easier than the S2000. That's what my friend was expecting.

I understand what people are saying when using the statement 'I like the fact that my car is hard to drive at the limit.' But let's all be realistic... anything can be improved, and an S2000 without bump-steer would be a much more predictable and fun car.

 

I see that our quiet moment of sanity was just an illusion. Bieg is back again.

 

Well I've watched Beig's posts with interest since his return. Frankly I don't think he deserves this. I do think there's a fair bit of quiet 'Beig baiting' been going on. Old wounds being re-opened perhaps?

On the whole, I think this has been a good thread. It's a pity to see it starting to degenerate. Anyone get the feeling we've been here before?

It is only a car, who really cares what you do with yours!