I drove an Auris with the 3rd Gen hybrid system which is the same as the Prius' / Prii / Priuses (?) drivetrain for a few years and was getting around low 60's mpg. I don't do much motorway driving, mostly 50-60mph A-roads so I normally reckon 55ish if I'm doing more motorway stuff.
Even screwing around trying to get the MPG low I struggled to get it below 50ish.

If you're cruising along a motorway you don't need that much power actually. What you need is short bursts of power for accelerating.
If you compare it to a comparable non-hybrid in Toyotas line up you'd be looking at a Valvematic engine. The hybrid dumps all that clever valve lift/dual valve timing gear and reverts to a far simpler engine. Yes you gain some transmission complexity but it doesn't seem to outweigh the engine simplification so far as I can see

 

my experience is limited to complaining cabbies

a mate had an old ek civic till recently, did 50mpg on a run and now he has a volvo dies easy which kills 3 kids per commute or something.. 55-60

our owd golf claimed 70+ on a run but we all know how that story ends...

maybe i should reconsider. need out of this nissan

 

They're far from a thrilling drive but then I'm commuting on roads that are not thrilling to drive

The CVT takes away a lot of the feeling of speed from the car as the engine revs don't really match the speed and there's no sensation of going through the gears.
They're actually quite spritely away from the line but they just don't feel it. To get a lot of the poor mileages I see in articles I think the journo's must drive them like teenagers who've just passed there test and consider the throttle/brake as an on off switch

 

the mere mention of CVT minds me of an early vulva a notoriously tight childhood friend bought

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_300_Series

iirc it was biege.. he lived on the same (long) cul de sack as me and you always knew it was him passing, 6k rpm and 10mph were rarely such cuddly bedfellows for so long.. hideous mpg too.

i need to get over it but probably never will... the Scooby SUV which pretends to change gear would probably suit me better haha

 

The DAF Variomatic actually worked quite well. But they tried to make the vacuum control more sophisticated and seemed to make it worse, somehow.

HSDs are either smooth & silent off the line, or a bit raucous if you get too lead-footy and the ICE & Moto-Gen 1 kick in to dump more coulombs into MG2.

The total disconnect between ICE & throttle takes some familiarisation. But like DAFs, they are a bit quicker than they feel.

Make no mistake a GT86 & HSD would be a match made in the UK Parliament...

 

Honda say the car will be in dealers in spring next year for test drives

i think i’ll keep the V8 until then, its trying my patience as it threw a front spring and then i got a puncture, albeit in a tyre which is almost done anyway.. but far too hard work trying to sell atm, i always find it less than rewarding talking to car ‘buyers’ so it'll go traded or wbac when i finally choose the replacement

”i have cash waiting” thats good as i dont offer credit or take cheques

”if it had edc” it doesnt

Painful...

 

Out of interest; I've been driving the wifes big red fun bus for the last week which is a 2018 latest model Seat Alhambra Diesel.
Currently getting between 52~53mpg on the commute
Same route similar conditions I'd be getting 60ish in the Auris hybrid.

Not an entirely fair comparison.
The Seat will be a bit heavier and a bit less aerodynamic but has a very recent engine update (I think to for Adblue, there was definately an engine update to it when I got it)
The Auris was the last generation of hybrid engine and had a significant update to the latest Corolla

 

Whats the commute like? We had a guff gtd which did 45 in the city but 70 on a slog.. it was amazing on the latter.
dull to drive though and may have lied?

my M3 does 19 ish .. i think the kumkwat is high 30s but if thats your only option extinction would be a blessing

Conversely my Yam does 60-70 across the city and 0-60 in 3s and is not dull at all. I do get quite wet quite often though...
i cant commute in a car.. or on a train.. it is painful here.. that 8mph stat applies.. i dont get why everyone is not on a bike

 

Cold, wet and being taken out by Mrs Magoo in an SUV.

Latest-gen HSD (and iMMD) ought to be very impressively efficient, if you can get used to the 'driving' style...

I don't think a lot of journos realise you need to brake early & gently in a hybrid, due to the problem of overheating the batteries limiting regen.

My pack of fags calculation suggests that that alone could significantly increase the efficiency of solid-state battery hybrids in the next decade.

 

cant they do a single pedal dominated approach like with e cars?

i am still ignoring hybrids although this was.. alarming..

https://autoexpert.com.au/videoblog/...placement-bill