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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by arsie
Agree that 100%

For the uninitiated MMGW is man made global warming.

I am slowly reading report 28 from the Global Warming Policy Foundation atm. A readable 94 pages by the late Christopher Booker entitled 'Global Warming, a case study in groupthink'. I am conducting a literary war with my eldest son. In retaliation for his birthday present of this booklet he sent me Greta Thunberg's 'No one is too small to make a difference'. I have not started it yet. Although longer than Booker's booket (106 pages) I rather like the much larger font at my age while remaining sceptical of words from the mouth of an autistic who bunked off school before GCSE. Because having taught a few autistic children in my time I just don't believe that an autistic Swedish girl could write such good English speeches (16 in all) unaided. The booklet is made small to enable it to contain more pages and be a bona fide 'book' although I question that is the case when it is just speeches i.e. propaganda. Each page contains approx 175 words whereas the Booker booklet has 42 lines of 18 words per line on each page.

By my reckoning the shorter book - in terms of no of pages - contains 5 times more words. But boy is it hard to read

We have also exchanged proper hard back books. My gift from my son is another book on the cheap consisting of a story made up of chapters as originally read out on Radio 4 quite recently 'Losing Earth - The Decade We Could Have Stopped Climate Change'. My eye was arrested by a full page photo opposite the book's title page of one Gordon MacDonald (no relation) standing on the steps of the Capitol with his arm above his head, to illustrate where sea level would be in 2030 if his theories prove correct.

Quite apart from wondering if he really meant 6' or that the Potomac estuary waters would be lapping the Capitol steps, it was interesting to read in wiki that he opposed plate tectronics and had some other now disproved theory! Better still (and I don't think the author can have appreciated the irony of quoting him as saying exactly what Booker is pointing out, inter alia)

So I am now motivated to live another 9 years and then send the book back to my son unread posing my Potomac question ...
Do a bit of reading on geology. It tends to put things in perspective in all sorts of ways. Or when swapping books, pick up some old texts from charity shops when they reopen. The predictions made as recently as 20 years ago are quite laughable. Go back 40 years and they are truly hilarious. Don't start me on oil running out.
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 02:52 AM
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Quite. I estimated that MacDonald picture would be at least 40 years old possibly nearer to 50 years. He was one of three Wise Men that Nixon boasted as his advisors.
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 04:11 AM
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The M3 is deeply flawed for me. Unlike the S2 it is a mass produced family car someone tried to make quick. As a family car you are within the lower 20% of its capabilities 90% of the time but suffering high running costs all the time.

As Rog points out they are more stable in crappy conditions (than an S2) but ultimately I would prefer an S2 and an e over the M3
If you do white goods miles than a BEV can make sense even to someone who appreciates a good motor. no tailpipe emissions outside the primary school Vs that 320D has to be good in my book.

I could also never figure a bike rack for the M3 as it had a flimsy carbon roof and no tow bar options. Plus the bottom end is ready to fall out after 45k, the actuators guaranteed to last a few years..
touch up stick to order as child smacked the door into garage wall. Thanks.

a race car the e ain't but I have my SC S2000 if I want fun.. or the bike for proper fun.


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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 07:41 AM
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I've just swapped an S2000 for an e.












































































Tomorrow I'll be swapping back again.

But it is incredible fun to drive, for what it is. The lack of ears means one can hoon down country lanes without stopping for oncoming traffic, just like we used to do.

It feels ridiculously lively, helped by the seamless acceleration and huge windows one can see out of. I got held up by a 993...

I can imagine that roll-oversteer tendency catching a few people out in slippery conditions. Just like an S2000.

Everything that's wrong with a Jazz isn't in the e.

Really, go drive one just for the craic.





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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
The M3 is deeply flawed for me. Unlike the S2 it is a mass produced family car someone tried to make quick. As a family car you are within the lower 20% of its capabilities 90% of the time but suffering high running costs all the time.

As Rog points out they are more stable in crappy conditions (than an S2) but ultimately I would prefer an S2 and an e over the M3
If you do white goods miles than a BEV can make sense even to someone who appreciates a good motor. no tailpipe emissions outside the primary school Vs that 320D has to be good in my book.

I could also never figure a bike rack for the M3 as it had a flimsy carbon roof and no tow bar options. Plus the bottom end is ready to fall out after 45k, the actuators guaranteed to last a few years..
touch up stick to order as child smacked the door into garage wall. Thanks.

a race car the e ain't but I have my SC S2000 if I want fun.. or the bike for proper fun.
Yes but as Gad says each to his/her own. I was able to enjoy the M more due to the use I had for it at the time. Plenty room on the back seat for the dogs and bags in the boot. Sleepy laid back cruiser with startling grunt at the flip of a paddle no groping for gears. I can see how it was not a good fit for your requirements @Nottm_S2 (with hindsight) and agree completely about the myth of Cherman reliability. If anyone doesn't know the story, The V8 M3 engine (S65) has throttle actuators made with plastic cogs on a spindle driven by a DC motor. These would wear the teeth and then blow the electronics in a year or two depending on driving style and miles. BMW replaced (if still under warrantee of course) with the identical plastic cogs parts. Outside warranty it was what £800 a side? plus labour. I had mine replaced as you did (DIY) with proper tough parts from Sheffield, a company specialising in surgical equipment. When I advertised I made a feature of this to show my taking care of the car. Two weeks later had a call from the buyer, they had gone tits. My Indy's assessment that the electronics were ok was wrong. They wanted my Indy to fix free of charge I was very understanding but politely said go whistle. Caveat Emptor.
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
But it is incredible fun to drive, for what it is. The lack of ears means one can hoon down country lanes without stopping for oncoming traffic, just like we used to do.

It feels ridiculously lively, helped by the seamless acceleration and huge windows one can see out of. I got held up by a 993...

I can imagine that roll-oversteer tendency catching a few people out in slippery conditions. Just like an S2000.

Everything that's wrong with a Jazz isn't in the e.

Really, go drive one just for the craic.
Couldn't really better that review @s2k4tony

But what's this roll-oversteer tendency Nick? Course I always drive mine like an OAP

edit: assume you are disabling the RDM every trip or else you risk being steered into the ditch over 40mph hooning down poorly marked country lanes ...
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
I've just swapped an S2000 for an e.

Tomorrow I'll be swapping back again.

But it is incredible fun to drive, for what it is. The lack of ears means one can hoon down country lanes without stopping for oncoming traffic, just like we used to do.

It feels ridiculously lively, helped by the seamless acceleration and huge windows one can see out of. I got held up by a 993...

I can imagine that roll-oversteer tendency catching a few people out in slippery conditions. Just like an S2000.

Everything that's wrong with a Jazz isn't in the e.

Really, go drive one just for the craic.
My ex-wife swore she would never enter a Macdonalds. Promise apparently broken but she kept it for a long time. I have similarly strong views about electric cars and certain forms of sex but I suppose never say never. I will be persuaded when I believe that an electric car is better than the petrol I can buy for similar money but I feel we're some way off that. Better by my standards. I already know that for some a Tesla's acceleration alone makes it better than a similarly priced petrol car. These are the same people bewitched by turbo diesels on motorways. BUT if I wanted to save money, cared about saving the planet (or was deluded enough to think an electric car contributes net to that), didn't care about range and liked the tech, I don't doubt the E would be high on my list. As things stand, I'd prefer to end my driving in front of or behind the ultimate developments of the ice. It's like electric racing cars - they will never be for me - it's for other generations.
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 08:52 AM
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It reminds me of an old 127 - except it's right-wheel drive. And very refined and roomy.

I've left it in normal mode for now - just in case it catches me out.

Because it's so tall, it suffers a bit from rear-end roll and in off-camber roundabouts it's pronounced and the TC intervenes. I can imagine someone turning tightly and too much power resulting in e-specific Diesel. Drive it smoothly and it rewards.

Sound familiar?

It doesn't bing & bong like a bloody Jizz - it just quietly switched off the road departure thingy itself because it got annoyed with me. These nannies seem a lot less intrusive because of that.

Need to sort the one-pedal regen - it's a bit fierce on 3 and a bit soft on 2. But one can paddle between them easily enough.

I think Klaus Schwab has infiltrated my mind...
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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 08:58 AM
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whatever your other half drives Gad, you should offer to get her an e to replace it
i agree, fwiw, on costs. they will drop as the tech goes mainstream i think which we are now at the tipping point of. i dont forsee my ever wanting an e2000 though

Tesla's dont interest me in the same way i dont like Fords. Crude engineering with a thin veneer on the front. The one ragged round the top gear track was hilariously unsettled. As much as their software will shit on what Honda created if they continue to keep it simple (it looks simple, the app is a disaster) it should be good. I'm all for provision of screens and android auto/apple carplay and leaving the rest to your device but appreciate doesnt work for everyone. I'd have a Tesla over an M4 though.

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Old Apr 6, 2021 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
whatever your other half drives Gad, you should offer to get her an e to replace it
i agree, fwiw, on costs. they will drop as the tech goes mainstream i think which we are now at the tipping point of. i dont forsee my ever wanting an e2000 though

Tesla's dont interest me in the same way i dont like Fords. Crude engineering with a thin veneer on the front. The one ragged round the top gear track was hilariously unsettled. As much as their software will shit on what Honda created if they continue to keep it simple (it looks simple, the app is a disaster) it should be good. I'm all for provision of screens and android auto/apple carplay and leaving the rest to your device but appreciate doesnt work for everyone. I'd have a Tesla over an M4 though.
Like most people now, she doesn't drive any significant distance, so there is no economic incentive - just a large capital outlay. I suppose it might happen when the current petrol car is replaced in a few years. It will be interesting to see what happens to older electric cars in terms of desirability and depreciation. If I understand correctly, when the battery goes, it has to be a new one - whereas that's rare with an ice - you usually just make running repairs and the car doesn't have a critical maintenance cut off point. I'll start a thread with my E alternative choice in a couple of months all being well. It won't be as cheap to run but it will also be in a different league in terms of fun and ability.
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