Honda e
Same tax and service costs as @Nottm_S2 but 1860 miles for £36.45 paid for fuel (Octopus 'Agile' now 'Go' tariff) ownership to date.
That's over 50 miles per £. Or to use your invented metric about 350 e-mpg equivalent.
Tyres are 16" far less expensive than yours but plenty tread left
That's over 50 miles per £. Or to use your invented metric about 350 e-mpg equivalent.
Tyres are 16" far less expensive than yours but plenty tread left
I can't get on Octopus Go and our tariff ran out at the worst possible time recently
I also expect energy prices will jump again next spring and from there you would likely see a real tail off in demand for BEVs
if anyone crunches the numbers at least, because they begin to make much less sense, if any at all
unless you have solar
In the current climate I would 100% not bother with one...
at the moment, outside of Go the overall proposition is very weak at best. Especially if you self service your ICE. I ought to compare running costs on the SC S2000 Vs the e over Xmas.
16s are cheaper by £20-30 a corner but yours will last as way lower miles. Mine will be on 9k soon so hardly stellar
I also expect energy prices will jump again next spring and from there you would likely see a real tail off in demand for BEVs
if anyone crunches the numbers at least, because they begin to make much less sense, if any at all
unless you have solar

In the current climate I would 100% not bother with one...
at the moment, outside of Go the overall proposition is very weak at best. Especially if you self service your ICE. I ought to compare running costs on the SC S2000 Vs the e over Xmas.
16s are cheaper by £20-30 a corner but yours will last as way lower miles. Mine will be on 9k soon so hardly stellar
Turns out my 'Go' is fixed til August (when I moved from 'Agile' which was fast becoming uneconomic) when I will take a hit. My day rate is 15.96p/unit but even in winter assisted by my L-ion house battery my average rate paid for 1000kWh is around 11p/unit. My day rate would be 24p if I took the tariff today and you're right it will be more come August though my solar PV will cushion me from the shock. As for the tyres, with my relatively low miles it will be a few years before I wear them down to 1.6mm. Still had 6+ at the service but I agree the wear is high. Though am feeling that £500 or whatever it was for 5 years service was a rip off now.
So if BEV sales do drop through the floor there won't be so many hogging the charge points which are hopefully being built apace now
So if BEV sales do drop through the floor there won't be so many hogging the charge points which are hopefully being built apace now
I don't charge much away but never queued for juice
At 45p a KW now.. at 2.5mkw I make that about 38mpge
Mate in Canada gets his e at 7p/KW.. well over 300mpge but that's the difference between our broken energy market and theirs
lesson #1 - don't rely on your enemy for nuclear. IE China or France
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59760331
At 45p a KW now.. at 2.5mkw I make that about 38mpge
Mate in Canada gets his e at 7p/KW.. well over 300mpge but that's the difference between our broken energy market and theirs
lesson #1 - don't rely on your enemy for nuclear. IE China or France
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59760331
I don't charge much away but never queued for juice
At 45p a KW now.. at 2.5mkw I make that about 38mpge
Mate in Canada gets his e at 7p/KW.. well over 300mpge but that's the difference between our broken energy market and theirs
lesson #1 - don't rely on your enemy for nuclear. IE China or France
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59760331
At 45p a KW now.. at 2.5mkw I make that about 38mpge
Mate in Canada gets his e at 7p/KW.. well over 300mpge but that's the difference between our broken energy market and theirs
lesson #1 - don't rely on your enemy for nuclear. IE China or France
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59760331
They get 60% from hydro 7% non hydro renewables 15% nuclear 11% natural gas/oil 7% coal.
They export to the USA. They are into developing small modular (nuclear) reactors (as is Rolls Royce) I think one operational?
It's not the market that's fooked here it's the green energy decisions and conflating nuclear as non green.
Contrast the French who following the 1973 oil crisis went into nuclear in a big way.
I don't know how it works in terms of downing st chumps getting involved but we are building some nuclear
Frustrating. I dont really care so much about gas but electricity is so fundamental this could really hit the economy
Frustrating. I dont really care so much about gas but electricity is so fundamental this could really hit the economy
So a year on we are at around 9k in the e
it has cost nothing but electric to run.. used to be 15p per kWh, now a smidge over 20p per kWh
The car does 3.4m/kWh in summer and 2.4 in winter for similar use, mixed urban journeys and school runs
Std gas is 145ppl or 658p gallon
So at 15ppkw I was getting 149mpge in summer
At 20p it's fairly shit in winter then.. 79mpge
Conclusion.. I like it, the car has many pros and the pre heating has been used a lot on the school run. It defrosts fast and it's a time saver. The software is shit and slow, the app doesn't work. The ride is a great balance between comfort and fun. A BEV gives no guilt booted cold.
Economically the picture looks dire though. They are very expensive now the grants are gone and will never sell as a result imho. Prices must reduce dramatically to make them viable.
In hindsight I think I would have bought the civic sport had I known how badly south our energy infra was gonna go..there is worse to come in 2 months. If I hadn't invested in the bike rack I would have sold by now. Maybe I should. I don't see a happy ending for BEVs in the UK
it has cost nothing but electric to run.. used to be 15p per kWh, now a smidge over 20p per kWh
The car does 3.4m/kWh in summer and 2.4 in winter for similar use, mixed urban journeys and school runs
Std gas is 145ppl or 658p gallon
So at 15ppkw I was getting 149mpge in summer
At 20p it's fairly shit in winter then.. 79mpge
Conclusion.. I like it, the car has many pros and the pre heating has been used a lot on the school run. It defrosts fast and it's a time saver. The software is shit and slow, the app doesn't work. The ride is a great balance between comfort and fun. A BEV gives no guilt booted cold.
Economically the picture looks dire though. They are very expensive now the grants are gone and will never sell as a result imho. Prices must reduce dramatically to make them viable.
In hindsight I think I would have bought the civic sport had I known how badly south our energy infra was gonna go..there is worse to come in 2 months. If I hadn't invested in the bike rack I would have sold by now. Maybe I should. I don't see a happy ending for BEVs in the UK
I did consider an E to replace my commuter car, i like the looks and the wacky interior, plus a quieter (electric) everyday car would be quite nice on the road. But....
I think I'm going to keep my car for a few more years yet. theres nothing wrong with it despite being 10 yrs old and 100k. still gets 50MPG in petrol and still perfectly reliable.
Hopefully hydrogen cars can be sorted soon. if it can be worked out, they solve nearly all the problems of battery cars.
refuelable
lighter
less materials
more easily taxeble fuel (petrol tax is gonna come from elsewhere otherwise, im happy to pay more if i drive more)
no battery degridation
existing infrastructure only has to be adapted, no charging posts on every streetlamp in the country, massive power grid upgrades.
unless i'm missing something and there's a reason this isnt feasible? i think the reason it isnt a thing yet is that battery cars (simplifed obs) only need to be plugged in, whereas the hydro pumps need installing in lots of petrol stations to be able to use the car, the infrastructure needs building first.
I think I'm going to keep my car for a few more years yet. theres nothing wrong with it despite being 10 yrs old and 100k. still gets 50MPG in petrol and still perfectly reliable.
Hopefully hydrogen cars can be sorted soon. if it can be worked out, they solve nearly all the problems of battery cars.
refuelable
lighter
less materials
more easily taxeble fuel (petrol tax is gonna come from elsewhere otherwise, im happy to pay more if i drive more)
no battery degridation
existing infrastructure only has to be adapted, no charging posts on every streetlamp in the country, massive power grid upgrades.
unless i'm missing something and there's a reason this isnt feasible? i think the reason it isnt a thing yet is that battery cars (simplifed obs) only need to be plugged in, whereas the hydro pumps need installing in lots of petrol stations to be able to use the car, the infrastructure needs building first.
I dunno much about hydrogen cars . The Nexo one costs like £70k and looks a bit shit
BEVs I think can work. Decent infra, good recyclable stuff. I do think we need to get over the range obsession.
And sort our power generation approach.
That market ain't functional here atm
BEVs I think can work. Decent infra, good recyclable stuff. I do think we need to get over the range obsession.
And sort our power generation approach.
That market ain't functional here atm








