On phone batts they say don't charge above 80% unless you need it

Virtually same shit

Washed the S2 and checked over for MOT but didn't go underneath as it was cold out there.. looks ok. Lost my lie in next sat for my disorganisation

Anyway. Back OT I watch Rog enjoying and scrimping cheap mpge but my cars and bikes are ornaments this year

2020.. what a load of shit

 

Costs?

Depreciation?
Zero road tax to pay. £240 insurance.
Maintenance? think I paid £595 or summat for the first five years.
220 miles started with a full battery foc put in 25 units at 6p/unit so far. Now on 50%.
The cost of fuel might not be worth counting though I will be keeping an eye on it. Not even beer money really.

p.s. The ICE fleet:
Depreciation £1k annually
Road tax £30 and £275 respectively.
Maintenance £200 and £300 average done by indies.
Fossil fuel costs 3,000 miles on the Smart so about £500 for petrol
The moho does about 27mpg towing I keep meaning to chip it for better. No diesel miles this year

 

Here's the rub.

Cost of Honda E ... 28000

Del sol - about 1800 so far
fiesta 9500ish
Z1000 - call it 7000

​​​​​insurance about 600 a year.
mot 150 for the three
Home serviced so just oil and parts. Say 500
Fuel ... Not much this year. Maybe 800 max

That Honda just doesn't add up. It couldn't be an only car and at that price it'd have to be. At three years old it will be old tech both in battery life and range, never mind residuals plus the competition will have leaps and bounds .

 

i agree makes little sense but you are comparing young but not new and ancient vs new
new anything will never add win

i think the e will be peanuts to run, it's also a good size and a smart design (ahem)

leaf battery progress.. 9 years ago they had 24kw and now 40kw?

MY 2011
24 kWh lithium-ion battery
MY 2016
30 kWh lithium-ion battery
MY 2020
40Kw
50Kw

and it's irrelevant if the range is sufficient for the use, you dont need to buy a 400 mile range 60k tesla if you dont drive to cornwall, which i dont

e vs S2000

tax £0 vs £330
ins £240 vs £240?
fuel 150mpge vs 25mpg so on
2000 miles 73.33 vs 440.00
3000 miles 110.00 vs 660.00
4000miles 146.67 vs 880.00
5000miles 183.33 vs 1100.00
6000miles 220.00 vs 1320.00
7000miles 256.67 vs 1540.00
8000miles 293.33 vs 1760.00
9000miles 330.00 vs 1980.00
10000miles 366.67 vs 2200.00

yes i appreciate our deprec is less but i want something to do 10k miles and never break and not visit the dealer

a new fiesta ST costs c£22k and no longer has a motor you'd like.. the difference aint massive in this case is it and to get decent kit on a small car you have to buy 'sporty' which means rides like there is no suspension lately and 19" wheels or some shit. i think this pisses on that as a proposition but maybe it's just me

 

All I can summize from its creation, is that its the most fun - in a sector that needs more development and better looking cars The rest of the 'leccy bunch look dreadful.
I reckon the Honda E in the future will be better : a bit bigger especially in the rear, and despite what you say Nottm you do need more range for convenience. Plugging in shit or giving it the beans (we are human remember) dramatically reduces its capable mileage - which is already in the real world, is tested to be nearer to 100 miles range not 130. Can you imagine queuing for a charge though-- it will happen someday to any electric car owner at the worst time when you need to be somewhere else in a hurry. That worries me. Doing all the maths and calculations of this versus that; Its still nearly 30k to buy - so it is a luxury. It'll still need tyres brakes moving parts consumables, service costs, as do all things on the road.
Battery tech will evolve faster as these get more popular. Think maybe double the range in 5 years in some electric vehicles. Perhaps 160 miles in this car, who knows..
​​​It's purely a prototype thrown into production 'cos Honda couldn't help themselves, and why not when you look at its face. Maybe it was a bit rushed out then, but Honda E 2 should see an improvement on the sound system, you'd hope, which arsie says is a bit pants. The tech on board though is bravely impressive. Interesting to see how that holds up with software updates etc.
I think the more you look at it, it's that cute for many to resist it's flaws - which there aren't many. As I read in a recent article - the Suzuki Jimny effect. They sell that quirky little bugger in a lurid yellow too come to think of it.
If you have 28k burning a hole in your mattress, and you no longer can resist it's charms, be first and buy one then. I still think its about 5 grand too expensive. That then, just like the first ipad creation, is the 'me first' premium cost of something Honda think is very special.
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Price yes I agree given the flaws £k a few less would have been more like it but as explained in my sunset years ... The turning circle because it is RWD continues to delight, everything is that much easier. Size isn't an issue for us so far we still have the S2000 mentality of lots of little bags although the S had hidden depths! There is less boot space than the Smart which we stripped out all the moulding and can get the dog/basket in. Unlikely to be an issue with the 'e' as she is housebound and on the final lap Maintenance we will see but I covered that with the 5-year option. It still raises my eyebrow packing a normal battery my head can see why maybe but my heart cries no. Tyres are nice and fat (16") so quite difficult to kerb and besides the wheels are going to be easy to touch up with matt black but we will see, I am bound to clatter a kerb sooner or later. AFAICS they are not alloy so it is just rust inhibit then a dab of paint. My intention is to matt black the grey callipers one fine day too.

Range I am steady on 3.8 miles/kWh which is an unbelievable 135 miles range and could yet go higher as that is all local stop start. Might take a trip along the A47 to Waitrose Swaffham to mimic a long run as they have ****ed up their delivery scheme - the store in a posh south Norwich suburb is being refurbed and they spread deliveries around the other Norfolk stores, so three are doing the load of four just at the wrong time, Christmas coming and lockdown. They do have a separate rota for the Christmas period mind. So far pottering round the county lanes there aren't any traffic light drag race opportunities really. Norwich is another matter however we are not doing the Christmas shops this year and live footie (OTBC)* is off for this season I think. In the new year when I look into the audio I will take a few trips up, first to the dealer to check the subwoofer and alleged separate amp are truly there and wired up then secondly to an auto hifi specialist (to check again )

Auto safety features I am learning to live with, my pre launch procedure covers disabling RDM and enabling single pedal mode. I do wish it would hold these settings. Driving position I have had to change my 'arms out straight/semi prone' posture to reach all the buttons on the screen. Hopping in and out easily is still great even with my latest gardening injuries (don't ask).

edit: being Honda I don't expect them to upgrade range having set their stall out saying 'this is a city car so the range is not an issue'.

* look it up. It's the oldest footie song in the world they say

 

Thing is.. Its not a city car is it? Up here in terraced house land, you've no chance of charging up the bugger. No chance. Unless your cabling on the footpath.
I'm fortunate that I have a detached residence and integral garage, albeit shit small garage that can just about house my s2k. They build these new build houses (15 years old my property) with smart cars in mind. Or motorbikes!
The car suits Country folk who dont necessarily want to drive 15 miles to their nearest Gulf garage to fill up. Convenience for them. For larger housing estates for sure, there's market for it.
For me and I do like the cuteness, (the novelty will wear off) self charging and solar are the way to go. Its hook line and sinker the future of automation, probably...
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for me it is totally a city car, they are most efficient that way apparently, leccy cars (drag is a bigger issue)
i live on the edge of the urban sprawl of Notts.
i did about 1% a mile thrashing it, everything on, heater, climate, wipers, lights, stereo and son playing with screens when allowed

as a utalitarian goods car which has a fun factor it's all good. last time i did >100 miles in a single leg? not this year

 

Kind of another thing.. Working from home equals now zero commute.

 

Solar power not in the north or even here. Today my ten south facing roof panels each 1000mm x 450mm will generate if the sun keeps shining 4kWh.

Both they and the EV need a step function in efficiency so defo not in my lifetime but maybe in yours @Nottm_S2 @s2k4tony

Street charging is something Honda is trialling I believe. At least it is being consistent with their 'city car' mantra

Drag is the issue at m-way speeds with their cute retro ish shape. Ours will be a Norfolk car.

Fossil fleet as per avatar will stay for distance stuff, lockdown permitting.

Toyed with hybrid self charging but they're big fugly beasts.
More appropriate for families ...