Those policies treat the whiny spoiled brats like two year olds. Can't learn to live with rules? Grow up.

I'm sure this will sound coldhearted to a lot of people.

You could play the "what if" card all day long. What if that could be the last call from his mom? What if that wasn't the last call, but the second to last call? What if she called him every day for the rest of the school year? What if she's safe on a ship out in the middle of the ocean? What if what if?

Like it or not, his mom's not on her deathbed. Is death imminent? Not likely, but then we don't really have all the details.

Chances are if she's got the time to make a phone call she's not in harms way and probably not any more likely to die than her kid is.

The teacher was not out of line asking him to end his call. Grabbing the phone out of his hands could go either way. Being an ass to school administrators is definitely out of line. Getting suspended? Deservedly so. Maybe a week of detention instead, but either way there's got to be punishment for being a jackass.

The problem is that teachers don't have absolute authority over their classrooms. Schools have to be careful about everything they do regarding discipline with the fear some spoiled ass parent will sue them because their baby was mistreated. Too many damn people in this country think they have the right to do whatever they want and get away with what they want.

 

I do agree in what you are saying to an extent. As I said before it is stupid as to what happened and exceptions should be made. However the kid was out of line but I don't think a teacher can grab something from you -- that is just as out of line. Suspension no. Maybe a detention or something yes mainly because both sides screwed up.

Eithor way I still think the kid should have the right to talk to his mom. I'd take a detention over not talking to her if she was in the war anyday


Jonathan

 

Damn skippy, wtf do you think the kid's mom is fightin for over in Iraq? Ever heard of the constitution? Free speech, you know, the first amendment?

 

obviously u dont have any ancestors before you serving in uniform for this country...

want to know why we cherish freedom soo much?? hit the history book.. learn something called the war of 1776


pleeze... dont go around spread the misconception that people abuse their freedom..

that kid is smart to defend his right to talk to his mother... until u wear a uniform. don't bash about the mother. at least she has the guts to be in iraq wethere its on a boat, a tent, or fighting....

she is at risk.. where you're at home all safe and sound... and thanks to whom??????

 

People DO abuse their freedom.

People expect freedom to be a right they can exercise whenever they want to do whatever they want.

Freedom is not a right in this world. It is a privilege that unfortunately people fight over. There will always be someone that wants to oppress someone else and take their freedom away.

Until everyone on the planet puts the differences in race, religion, class, and sex behind them there will always be someone out there looking to put someone else down.

Home all safe and sound? Tell that to everyone who died in the Twin Towers. Safe, eh? Just think if bin Laden or any other terrorist had strategic ballistic missiles. Instead of the Twin Towers missing from the NYC sky line, NYC itself would be missing.

The RIGHT to talk to his mother? Want to talk to mom? Leave school grounds. Schools have rules. He should follow them. The lack of respect for authority in a public school in a country that fights for widespread "free" education is a ing mockery of what his mother is doing overseas.

 

^oh please... you're soo full of it..

now u telling the kid he should have left school ground to talk to him mom???

you do realize that leaving school without their permission is a harsher offense...


smart man..... cut with all the hipie lovin idea.. that aint gonna happen and never will.
life will always be full of struggle...


if u know what freedom is, in america, there is a freedom with a limit.. freedom to live the life you want without oppressing another. freedom to live without being oppressed.. i dont think u know what freedom is.


freedom is not a privellege.. if you really think that is so. reread the constitution and ask yourself.. why the fcuk would a bunch of old farts back in th 178x write a bunch of paper to be the basis of a new united group of dissidants and rebels

 

Hm dissidents and rebels. Gee, isn't that what the colonies were?

"Hey England, we don't like your rules. We're going to start our own damn country."

You can argue all you want about freedom being a right, and when some pissed off dude shoots you in the head you can go on and on about freedom. Freedom is a privilege afforded to the citizens of this country because we choose to make it a right for which we fight. Nobody should have to fight for personal freedom, but that's just not the case in today's world. Freedom should be a right to everyone, but it isn't. It is a privilege that citizens of the United States and various other countries enjoy, but there are societies and cultures out there that don't.

Why do you even care if leaving school is a harsher offense? You already support the kid breaking the rules. Why do you give a damn?

Freedom in the United States is living the life you want while obeying the laws whether they be federal or state or just some high school. If you think disallowing the usage of cell phones during school hours is oppression you need to open your eyes and see what's going on in other parts of the world.

I reiterate, there are too many spoiled brats that think they can do whatever they want in any context. That's not freedom, that's anarchy.

 

can you hear me now?

 

i supported the kid for staying on the phone with his mother rather than hanging up... and i have parent who has served in the armed forces. so i know how he feels..

and that one day he/she might never come home all fine but in a box instead....

 

but what does it matter that the kid refused to hang up?? he ultimately didn't get to talk to his mom anyway. reality is that there is a repercussion associated each and every thing you do. if the kid had approached and dealt with the situation in a different way, such as informing a teacher the moment he received the call from his mom and pleaded and explained to the teacher why the call is so important, then maybe the outcome would had been different. instead, the kid acted as if he has the personal right to disobey a school rule whenever he wants without consulting an authority. rules are there for a reason, whether you agree with them or not, and yes i agree that there should be occassional exceptions to the rules, but those exceptions should be made by the authorities and not the students themselves. if this one kid had gotten away with breaking a rule, then other students will also feel that they should have the right to break rules whenever they feel it is justified in their perspective, which would lead to chaos in the school. furthermore, although this kid's mom is in a dangerous environment, and there is a chance she may not make it back, there are numerous professions that are risky and dangerous as well. one kid may have a dad who is a policeman who run the risk of getting shot on the job and not make it home that night, or another kid may have a dad who is a construction worker who may accidentally fall off a building and also not make it home that night. the question is where do you draw the line and how do you draw the line to determine when a phone call from a loved one is pertinent enough to make an exception to the rule?? heck, joe shmoe's parent may get into a head on collision with a drunk driver and not make it home that night, but we don't know for sure if and when such an event would happen, but there is definitely a possibility. so should we allow joe shmoe to receive a call from his parents during school hours, just because there is a chance that his parents might die?? the bottom line is that this is a very complicated issue that do not have black and white answers, as evident in the fact that there are some members in this forum that support the actions of the school and there are others that don't.